There was a lot of discussion about this very thing with Dish DVRs and Tivo DVRs in the Gainesville FL local thread on AVS you could scan or join AVS and post there. Mahy were in on the discussion (I wasn't) but one fellow Nobleach has straight up answers on stuff like that. I do remember some of them work if you use the timer, and it seems someone had problems with some model because they didn't get the guide not subscribing. I think there final solution too was timed recording.
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