08-26-2009, 07:45 PM
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Dish discontinuing DTV Pal DVR?
I've read rumors that Dish has discontinued the DTV Pal DVR. It's listed as "discontinued" on Solid Signal, but apparently still available on from an online retailer, DigitalStar.com, and then Sears, which rips people off for the unit at $299 when everyone else was/is selling it for ~$245. What a drag. If the DTV Pal DVR goes away, that means only Tivo is left for OTA, and while Tivo had some useful features the Pal DVR did not, it's A) more expensive, B) features advertising, and C) requires subscription fees UNLESS you want to pay the upfront price (which is what I would probably do, but then see "A" again). Also, while some people may find it useful, I find the live buffer being split between two tuners a total drag. Who needs live buffers on both tuners? This brings the buffer down to only 30 minutes per tuner. That's crap. I'd rather have one tuner with a 60 minute buffer - that's more useful (for me, anyway). And what happens if Tivo bites the dust and goes out of business after you've bought and paid for the box and service?
What a drag. 
Last edited by NYCLA*; 08-26-2009 at 07:47 PM.
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08-26-2009, 07:49 PM
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They would be crazy to do that. It's like the last of the OTA DVRs on the market. |
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08-26-2009, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron62
They would be crazy to do that. It's like the last of the OTA DVRs on the market. |
Just how much of a market is there for OTA DVRs? I just can't see them selling more than a couple a day now days. Generally speaking, people who do not want to pay for cable or satellite service probably do not want to spend $250 for a device that records OTA. |
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08-26-2009, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by HTNut
Just how much of a market is there for OTA DVRs? I just can't see them selling more than a couple a day now days. Generally speaking, people who do not want to pay for cable or satellite service probably do not want to spend $250 for a device that records OTA. |
Probably. Could be that there are many other ways to watch OTA now, whether it be streaming online or use a USB ATSC device to record OTA to a hard drive. |
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08-26-2009, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by HTNut
Just how much of a market is there for OTA DVRs? I just can't see them selling more than a couple a day now days. Generally speaking, people who do not want to pay for cable or satellite service probably do not want to spend $250 for a device that records OTA. |
Cable is a waste of money IMO, and holds no value for me. I still want a DVR. Just because someone doesn't want to throw nearly $1000 dollars a year down the drain paying for television and channels I never watched, doesn't mean I don't want to spend $250 dollars for a "device that records", and allows me to pause and back up live television. What's the link? What's the stereotype at work here regarding OTA viewers? |
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08-26-2009, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by NYCLA*
Cable is a waste of money IMO, and holds no value for me. I still want a DVR. Just because someone doesn't want to throw nearly $1000 dollars a year down the drain paying for television and channels I never watched, doesn't mean I don't want to spend $250 dollars for a "device that records", and allows me to pause and back up live television. What's the link? What's the stereotype at work here regarding OTA viewers? |
No stereotype here. There's no doubt in my mind that cable and satellite customers are willing to spend more on DVRs because they offer more options for recording and more accurate program information. |
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08-26-2009, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by HTNut
No stereotype here. There's no doubt in my mind that cable and satellite customers are willing to spend more on DVRs because they offer more options for recording and more accurate program information.
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So why wouldn't someone who doesn't want to pay for cable/satellite not want a DVR for the same reasons (vis a vis a VCR, I guess, which I am going to assume is the unspoken comparison here)? |
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08-26-2009, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NYCLA*
So why wouldn't someone who doesn't want to pay for cable/satellite not want a DVR for the same reasons (vis a vis a VCR, I guess, which I am going to assume is the unspoken comparison here)? |
The DTVPal DVR isn't as feature rich as what you can get with a cable/satellite DVR. The program guide on the DTVPal can only view 24-48 hours in advance (depending on the data you receive locally).
Take a Tivo DVR for instance,
-You can schedule shows to record online without touching your device at home.
-Search features are much better with searching by show, actor, or director.
-Season pass is much smarter on a Tivo than a DTVPal DVR
I could go on, but I just don't think the OTA DVR is that attractive to OTA viewers. |
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08-26-2009, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by HTNut
The DTVPal DVR isn't as feature rich as what you can get with a cable/satellite DVR. The program guide on the DTVPal can only view 24-48 hours in advance (depending on the data you receive locally).
Take a Tivo DVR for instance,
-You can schedule shows to record online without touching your device at home.
-Search features are much better with searching by show, actor, or director.
-Season pass is much smarter on a Tivo than a DTVPal DVR
I could go on, but I just don't think the OTA DVR is that attractive to OTA viewers. |
Huh? So you're saying that OTA viewers would rather have nothing at all? Or are you saying that OTA viewers would rather have a Tivo (which supports OTA also, as I mentioned)? |
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08-26-2009, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by NYCLA*
Huh? So you're saying that OTA viewers would rather have nothing at all? Or are you saying that OTA viewers would rather have a Tivo (which supports OTA also, as I mentioned)? |
Maybe.  I know a lot of people were dissapointed to hear that the DTVPal DVR didn't include a QAM tuner. Doesn't matter to me as I have DirecTV, but I just can't see spending that kind of money on a device that depends on broadcasted program data from a third party. |
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