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    Dish Free HD!

    Starting in June 2010, Dish will (like many cable operators) will offer the HD counterparts of the SD channels they already offer for FREE! The Platnum HD channels like MGM, Paladia, EPIX1 and the new EPIX2 and the rest of the HD channels in the high 300 range will be the only thing that costs an extra $10.00.

    I kind of like the EPIX channels, Retroplex, MGM and a few others so I will stay at the same level. But for those who never watch channels like those (in the high 300's) and just stay with the ESPN's, Weather, USA and the rest of those, you will have an opportunity to save $10.00 on the HD you watch.

    The HD counterparts of premiums (HBO, etc.), HD LiL's (where available) and RSN's you may subscribe to are included in the free HD package. Of course you must have a ViP series (MPEG-4) receiver to see them.

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    Link pleae because I can't find anything on this even on the Dish Netowrk website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post
    Link pleae because I can't find anything on this even on the Dish Netowrk website.
    This news is too new. You will learn more very soon like this info that is going out to dealers only at this time..
    Existing Customer Accounts Already Subscribing to the $10/mo. “HD & Platinum” Add-on Before June 3, 2010 – Existing customers who were subscribing to the $10/mo. “HD & Platinum” package prior to June 3, 2010, will be automatically grandfathered into “HD Free for Life” without being required to enter into a 24-month “HD Free for Life” commitment OR pay the $99 HD Programming Upgrade Fee. These customers will experience no price change due to their participation in this offer; they will receive “HD Free for Life” for the life of their account and will be charged for the $10/mo. HDPlatinum add-on package.

    Existing Customer Accounts NOT Subscribing to the $10.mo. “HD & Platinum” Add-on Package Before June 3, 2010 – Existing customers who were NOT subscribing to the $10/mo. “HD & Platinum” package prior to June 3, 2010 may choose to participate in “HD Free for Life” by logging into their online customer account (or creating an online account if they do not have one yet) and selecting the “HD Free for Life” option, which will be indicated.
    After selecting the “HD Free for Life” offer, customers may choose either the 24-month “HD Free for Life” commitment and accept the terms of the agreement within the online form, as well as set up Credit Card AutoPay AND Paperless Billing if they are not set up with them yet –OR– the $99 HD Programming Upgrade Fee and provide a credit card number for this charge (also within the online form).
    So it seems there are strings attached. Subs will get mailings in a couple of weeks plus you will find free HD for life commercials very soon. All of this was announced at Team Summit a couple of days ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yes616 View Post
    This news is too new. You will learn more very soon like this info that is going out to dealers only at this time..

    So it seems there are strings attached. Subs will get mailings in a couple of weeks plus you will find free HD for life commercials very soon. All of this was announced at Team Summit a couple of days ago.
    Very cool. The $99 HD Programming Upgrade fee is a bit high IMHO but I guess you're going to pay for it one way or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron62 View Post
    Very cool. The $99 HD Programming Upgrade fee is a bit high IMHO but I guess you're going to pay for it one way or the other.
    Notice you can get around the $99.00 charge by going with Paperless Billing, Credit Card Autopay and agreeing to a 2 year commitment. You will need to agree to ALL of this and the $99.00 will be waived.

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    Well June 3rd is 13 days away and still no word on this. ANYWHERE. I'm dubious of this. If they were actually doing this there would be something posted SOMEWHERE on the internet. Need a link. No way this stays secret this long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post
    Well June 3rd is 13 days away and still no word on this. ANYWHERE. I'm dubious of this. If they were actually doing this there would be something posted SOMEWHERE on the internet. Need a link. No way this stays secret this long.
    I now see it on my just generated June bill. Check your next bill. You will see it.

    Dish does't like to show stuff like this until it actually goes into effect. They have a history of that kind of practice. You will see it on their website on June 3rd.

    If you know a local installer, ask them. They will confirm it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yes616 View Post
    I now see it on my just generated June bill. Check your next bill. You will see it.

    Dish does't like to show stuff like this until it actually goes into effect. They have a history of that kind of practice. You will see it on their website on June 3rd.

    If you know a local installer, ask them. They will confirm it.
    I don't have Dish so no bill to look at. I'm just shocked no one else has leaked this. Dish obviously has better security than say Apple does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post
    I don't have Dish so no bill to look at. I'm just shocked no one else has leaked this. Dish obviously has better security than say Apple does.
    All I can say to this is again, ask a local Dish installer. Look for info from Team Summit 2010 if that helps. You might find something there. My information is private at times and I will not provide links until they become public. I made promises to some people on this. Look at my other Dish threads. I do have some info there just before changes actually happen. Like the new LiL's coming to Dish in the next few weeks.

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    The best place to find out more is by calling them. They can start offering it June 3rd, but previous customers will be able to take advantage of it as well. The whole goal is to get everyone HD and I don't think other companies will be able to touch that. Call 888-518-0180.

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    I think the ulmtimate goal for cable/satelite/FiOS/Uverse should be to be all HD and no SD. How much bandwidth is wasted having both a SD and HD channel? Cable is even worse since most cable companies still have 50, 60, 70 analog channels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post
    I think the ulmtimate goal for cable/satelite/FiOS/Uverse should be to be all HD and no SD. How much bandwidth is wasted having both a SD and HD channel? Cable is even worse since most cable companies still have 50, 60, 70 analog channels.
    They may ultimately head there but there are a few things to consider.

    If they are all HD, they can't charge extra for HD. My cable company charges $5 for HD (on top of your regular subscription fee).

    SD digital on a HFC or RF overlay FTTH cable system doesn't use that much bandwidth.

    FiOS probably wants to eventually transition to all IPTV. With AllVid looming I suspect other providers may head that way too.

    Some customers don't want to give up their analog. I have a neighbor who has been an analog subscriber for a long time and she's not getting a box even though the cable company offers it for free. If/when analog crush happens (if at all) she'll be forced to but probably not before. And this is a major sticking point. Cable companies are losing subscribers to satellite and telco competitors. Offering unscrambled analog is where they differentiate themselves.

    One side note - when HD was new, the SD and HD channels often had different content or the same content with different screen layouts. I thought that this was a good thing. One of our channels (FNC) had a HD widescreen format that I liked. The ticker and bottom graphics were smaller and fit well in a large 16:9 screen. However the channel decided to simply offer one feed and letterbox the SD feed. They reached an in between point where the graphics were altered and made bigger to read better on smaller SD TVs but were in my opinion overly large for 16:9 TVs. Some people didn't like it. I personally didn't like it. But it wasn't my decision and I guess who made that decision knew what they were doing.

    HGTV HD used to be a different channel from the SD feed. I think now they're the same. So yeah, everybody is pretty much simulcasting now, so we may be headed for all HD pretty soon.
    Last edited by n2rj; 05-31-2010 at 07:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by n2rj View Post
    They may ultimately head there but there are a few things to consider.

    If they are all HD, they can't charge extra for HD. My cable company charges $5 for HD (on top of your regular subscription fee).
    Well Charter doesn't charge for HD and according to Yes Dish isn't going to anymore either. Besides bandwdth is finite so if they want to add more HD and all these 3-D channels they'll have to get that bandwidth from somewhere.

    SD digital on a HFC or RF overlay FTTH cable system doesn't use that much bandwidth.
    If you dump 100 digital channels that already have HD counterparts you can add about 30 new HD channels.

    Some customers don't want to give up their analog.

    I have a neighbor who has been an analog subscriber for a long time and she's not getting a box even though the cable company offers it for free. If/when analog crush happens (if at all) she'll be forced to but probably not before. And this is a major sticking point. Cable companies are losing subscribers to satellite and telco competitors. Offering unscrambled analog is where they differentiate themselves.
    I'm sure many Comast customers felt that way. Comcast did it anyways. What are they going to do go to satellite? Ooops they're all digital too. Ok how about OTA? Oh wait that's all digital too.

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    MediaCom in small Aledo Illinois was pushing bundled services at a very low price. They do not have the bandwidth for internet, telephone, HD and analog cable. Their solution has been compression. MediaCom met resistance to installing cable boxes. They offered one free box, but would charge for additional boxes. Many cable subscribers have 2 or three or more tv sets with no extra charge at the present time. In the Davenport DMA, DISH does not offer locals in HD and last year our CBS affiliate decided to return to their channel 4 frequency and at our distance, a roof antenna is required. That prevents many renters from receiving OTA signals. MediaCom considered eliminating analog cable entirely, but with DISH & DIRECTV offering low cost programming and installation for SD & HD, Mediacom would lose even more subscribers.... Virtually every household in America has telephone service. We need a big leap in technology to connect our TV, computers, and telephones, thus freeing up RF for wireless services. If we wired all the houses for fiber optics, we could do it.

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    Well I see it's finally on their site. Unfortunately if you try to order it then you get an error page. You'd kind of think they'd worked the bugs our BEFORE rolling this out. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence in potential new customers.

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    Dish had a very busy night last night and I am sure they are having a super busy today as well due to all of the LiL's (satellite provided locals) coming online at the same time as all of this.

    I understand there is much confusion going on with the new "short markets". Those are the markets without all of the networks and what significantly viewed channels from neighboring DMA's subscribers are entitled to in those areas not to mention short markets Dish had already been carrying.

    I wouldn't want to be a Dish CSR supervisor this morning. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post
    Well I see it's finally on their site. Unfortunately if you try to order it then you get an error page. You'd kind of think they'd worked the bugs our BEFORE rolling this out. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence in potential new customers.
    Yeah it's finally on the site but you gotta dig to find it. The old prices are still on the home page (at this time) but if you click on the "learn more" button, you find the new regular prices there. Do just that here.

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    Currently, the new battleground between Dish Network and Direct TV has began. Both of them are giving free HD for life. However, the battleground depends on which equipment a subscriber will use. So, it's either they go multiroom with Dish Network or the whole home DVR of Direct TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron62 View Post
    Think I just saw a commercial for Direct TV offering free HD for life?? Guess I need to do some research. In the mean time, has anyone seen this offer? How does it work for existing Direct TV customers?
    I have done some research. DISH & now DIRECTV are saying that if the package you subscribe to offers a SD & a HD feed, you may view the HD channels as no extra cost. You must however have the proper equipment like an HD receiver or HD DVR.
    Second question. Current SD DISH users must upgrade their equipment for $99 or do a new contract. I can't find the requirements for DIRECTV.

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    We are currently subscribed to DISH and will definetly contact our operator to give us more details on upgrading to free HD. $99 is definitely not a bad idea. I am not quite sure if the HD receiver is going to be an added cost?

 
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