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Old 10-15-2009, 09:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I am leaning toward Dons "conventional" plan with the amp even though I generally like the odd unique solution to most problems . They both sound good. I feel like a child trying to pick a college from a catalog. Sort of informed and stupid.
So this amp goes up with the antenna on the pole or can I put it in the atic on a short lead?
Since I have your ears, what converter box should I be hunting for ? I see mention of ones pulling in channels at lower strength. Some as low as 25%. I bet you guys have opinions about that. thanks

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Old 10-16-2009, 07:40 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Was trying to find the G1483 Antenna on the...
AntennaCraft Website
where I could take a look at the Spec Sheet.
Can't find it, anyone know why ?

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I recommend the DTV Pal Plus, for good performance cobined with an elegant and handy/useful information guide.

Other good boxes

Apex DT502
Zenith DTT901
Zinwell 970A
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SWHouston, the G1483 is long since out of production. AntennaCraft would like to sell current production antennas. These have been around since the 70s. Summit Source has the last remaining G1483s.
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EV,

What is the beamwidth on the G1483? How does it's gain compare to a four bay like the 4221 or other similar 4-bay types?

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I recommend the DTV Pal Plus, for good performance cobined with an elegant and handy/useful information guide.

Other good boxes

Apex DT502
Zenith DTT901
Zinwell 970A
I have an apex dt502 and a zenith dtt901. Both are very good boxes. But, the 502 does not have any buttons on the box itself. If the remote is lost or breaks, you're out of luck until you can buy a new one. My son uses two zenith 901's and likes them alot. The remote is much easier to aim with the zenith (ie, aim in general direction rather than aiming at specific spot with Apex).

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What is the beamwidth on the G1483? How does it's gain compare to a four bay like the 4221 or other similar 4-bay types?

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The old American Made CM 4221A is very, very similar the Antenna Corp. of America's A.C. 320 compared to the AntennaCraft G1483 "4 Bay"...

Figures via Salvati's "TV Antennas & Signal Distribution Systems"


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Beamwidth

A.C. 320 64 degrees @ 22 and 45 degrees @ 67
G1483 50 degrees @ 22 and 40 degrees @ 50

F/B Ratio

A.C. 320 19 dB @ Ch. 22 and 14 dB @ Ch. 67

G1483 16 dB @ Ch. 22 and 6 dB @ Ch. 50

The Winegard KW4S is kindof similar to the new Chinese made CM 4221HD

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Forward Gain

Winegard KW4S vs G1483 "4 Bay"

Ch.

15 10 dB vs 10 dB
20 12 dB vs 12 dB
25 12 dB vs 14 dB
30 12 dB vs 13 dB
35 10 dB vs 12 dB
40 10 dB vs 11 dB
45 11 dB vs 12 dB
50 12 dB vs 13 dB
55 13 dB vs 13 dB

beyond 55 the G1483 plummets and the KW4S continues to rise to 15 dB at channel 67 then drops off precipitously.

Unknown whether dBd or dBi, EV assumes dBd as this data from Salvati was from 1979

Note about these GAIN numbers:

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This is the author's attempt to present the measured gain data on the most useful manner by approximating absolute gain curves and frequency response. The curves were determined by using the manufacturer's gain data for the Gavin CR-5, and then plotting the other antenna curves from that by means of the measured relative gain values. Because fot he many veriables and difficultires of making antann gain measurements, some of these curves differ somewhat from the manufacturer's data. However, this data is far supeior to manufacturer's data for comparing different antennas, because this gain data was compiled ont eh smae test range, on the smae day, with the same equipment, and by the same person.
It is my experience that the AntennaCraft G1483 has a wider beamwidth than the CM 4221A and also has higher gain. Plus it has much higher gain on VHF High channels than the CM 4221A...though neither is a VHF High antenna. Also confirmed is its low F/B Ratio over a large portionon the UHF band. I was picking up Savannah off the backside with this antenna pointed to Charleston (nearly perfect SouthWest/NorthEast opposites from my location. Charleston at 45 miles and Savannah at 70 miles. (CM 7777 amplifier, 25 ft antenna height, 50 ft RG6, to one good tuner.)

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I have an apex dt502 and a zenith dtt901. Both are very good boxes. But, the 502 does not have any buttons on the box itself. If the remote is lost or breaks, you're out of luck until you can buy a new one. My son uses two zenith 901's and likes them alot. The remote is much easier to aim with the zenith (ie, aim in general direction rather than aiming at specific spot with Apex).

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I havent used the Apex DT502, but I am a big fan of the Zenith DTT901. I like it better than the Zinwell 970A for performance and ease of use.
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Thanks for the very informative comparison EV! Interesting that your real world experience suggests wider beamwidth for the G1483 than predicted with the manufacturer's data. Have you seen a polar chart for the G1483 for channels in the thirties? My two most important locals are ch 31 and ch 36. There broadcast towers are 70 degrees apart. I have been pleased with the performance of my mclapp DIY in this case. I use a wider spacing between antenna and reflector plus sweep the elements back 1 inch rather than using flat element. But, I'm not married to the mclapp so other alternatives are intriguing as well.

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I could be wrong on the beamwidth....with just my foolin around. I just added my 2 cents in there for more date points. It could be that the higher forward gain starting out makes it seem like the beamwidth is wider. Could be that the gain falloff past beamwidth is greater on the CM 4221A than the G1483. Also the information from 2 4 Bays in Salvati's book is from antennas that arent CM 4221As or CM 4221HDs. Although the A.C. 320 has a uncanny resemblence to the CM 4221A (maybe CM bought A.C.A)....the Winegard KW4S is less similar to the 4221HD.

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