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Old 05-21-2009, 10:50 PM   #41 (permalink)
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The commercials are very very VERY misleading. Sadly, the gullible citizens of this country are feeding into it like hook line and sinker.

What we need are real certified broadcast volunteers that KNOW what they are talking about and could offer some REAL help to those having problems.

Not for the coupon issue, but for RECEPTION issues.

We need to move on to the RECEPTION issues now. The coupon and box problems should have been done with already.
I think we have both said this many times just in this forum. The real work will start on June 13th and it will be reception. All across the board. Some on the home end, some stations that thought going from 1000KW UHF to 20KW on VHF was going to save them a bundle on their electric bill instead of running 40 to 50 KW like they should be running.

People that find their favorite channel flash cut back to VHF.

Someone said stations will move their digital antenna to the top. Everyone around here already has. They put up temp analog antennas, and switched digital to the top antenna. Some cases the existing one and some cases a new one. Two stations around here on UHF changed their antenna a couple of years ago to wider band antenna, that can be matched and are running both analog and digital on the same antenna.

But there are some that could not do anything until the last minute.

But it will be all about reception, reception, reception (maybe some location, lol) after June 12th.

And why that is not being addressed is beyond imagination.
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Part of it is might be that the justification isn't really there to spend money on measures that will aid reception as much as some would like.
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Part of it is might be that the justification isn't really there to spend money on measures that will aid reception as much as some would like.
If you mean the money isn't in the station's budget to run PSA's about them flash cutting to a new frequency, then they are shooting their own feet.

From my locals to other's locals, as this has been discussed ad nausem in AVS, reception PSA's didn't start until after the Feb 17th delay, when it as reported that was a problem.

But now all the PSAs referring to reception are overly generic. Saying just you may need a VHF/UHF antenna soon.

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Hence I would think, that a station cutting from U to V would have a few PSAs and infomercials about the coming change. If they loose those customers they loose revenue.

The OTA only households is on the rise. The last Nielsen book for Gainesville FL shows an increase from 7 to 11 percent over the last 3 years. Granted it may have peaked. It may not have peaked yet.

Our locals I talk to (I used to work at one of them as a Remote Engineer) said they are watching the numbers close, as well as is management noticing it. One local is even now actually thinking about raising their VHF power (I hope). Where as before they didn't care as they saw the numbers slowly going down, and they had enough power to be called a DT station and under must carry rules (they were seeing their cable coverage going from 93 to 94 percent when it turned the other way (toward OTA).

But this also follows what I consider less than common sense thinking.

Most stations had built out their digital, even if on a temp RF Channel, by mid 2006 to early 2007. Yet, unless you were "In the Know" from a forum like this or other places, you had no idea you could already view digital TV OTA. They made no effort to tell their viewers they had it running in 9 cases out of 10 or more.

Even when Congress called the FCC on the table in late 2007 why there were no public relations efforts underway toward the transition did they appoint a new person to that post. She did in fact do 1000 times more than the previous person that did absolutely nothing.

But her PSAs all said get ready for the switch on Feb 17, 2009. Not one word about the fact most towns already had DTV running.

It wasn't until more investigations occurred spurred by the DTV delay act of Feb 2009 that PSAs started to say, two new things.

1) you can switch now, and not wait till June 12
2) where you live you might need a new VHF/UHF antenna

Well the first was obvious and probably enough, go ahead and try it now, it's running even one local station said.

But that same station used a ClearStream1 for a prop in the PSA. That station and it's sister station that used the PSA they made were VHF!!! A CS1 has little to no VHF reception. Worse it's an antenna their viewers can run to Target, Bestbuy, etc and see that antenna , buy it, take it home and cuss up a storm about how bad WTLV and WJXX come in now DTV because they are VHF!!! Good greif.

A) So part of it is money, but that is shooting their own feet.

B) Part of is they will only do what they have to do to meet FCC requirements, not more, even when it's not in their best interest (see A above)

C) Shear ignorance and arrogance. Having worked in a local station and many of my old work associates and friends still in the stations one thing was always obvious. Engineering knows better, but the News and Production depts often hate Engineering so much they block their memo's, fight them in meetings, to the point it hurts the station. Been there, seen that, over and over.

Good example of C. I called up the Chief Engineer of WJXX/WTLV mentioned above. He knows me and of me, from around the area and takes my comments serious when I call to talk. He returns my calls when he misses them as do the other local engineers. He marched down marketing and pulled that ad, as he saw it was misleading showing a UHF antenna when all his stations were VHF. The ad was gone about 3 weeks.

Now the ad is back. I am sure the Chief has seen it's back and threw up his hands.

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Just having worked in local stations I wanted to give more of an inside view of what is happening. It's more than a money problem.
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Digital signals have been on the air from as early as 1999 if I'm not mistaken. There were tuners back then but digital broadcasts were really still unknown. I think rear projection sets had them. I was an analog viewer until june of 2008.

I always used to wonder what that "DT" stood for next to stations call signs, now I know. It's mainstream now.
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The local channels here have all been running segments on their news broadcasts showing how simple this is going to be. It would be wonderful to have them show that in some locations it simply will not work, and try to find a solution.

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"Delaying the conversion to digital television until June 12th has afforded families and seniors additional time to prepare for the digital update and ensure a smooth and easy transition for their home television equipment. However, there are still several geographic areas in Maine and throughout the nation that will have a weak digital signal or no signal at all, posing a real threat to the access of digital television," said Senator Snowe, a senior member of the Senate Commerce Committee, which has jurisdiction over the issue. "By providing critical funding for the construction of digital broadcast towers, this legislation will close gaps in the digital coverage of full-power stations and ensure the upcoming transition is as seamless as possible for all Americans, regardless of where they live."


"I have talked to many people in Maine who have purchased a converter box yet they still cannot receive a digital signal or they are experiencing a drastic decrease in service. This is simply unacceptable," said Senator Collins. "Unlike analog signals, digital signals are more susceptible to interference from mountains, hills, and tall buildings. Our legislation would provide funding to help increase signal strength by purchasing digital translators. Without action, too many Americans will be left with dark televisions once we fully transition to digital television broadcasting."


Often times in rural areas, a weak broadcast signal will result in a blank screen for television viewers. Known as the DTV "cliff effect," this occurs because of the different propagation characteristics that the new digital broadcast signals have compared to traditional analog signals. The terrain, distance from the broadcast tower, sensitivity of existing antennas, as well as the weather play an integral role in the strength of a broadcast signal and contribute to the cliff effect. The DTV Cliff Effect Assistance Act would provide $125 million in reimbursements for the construction of digital repeater or translator towers, which run approximately $80,000 to $100,000 each to build. These repeaters are essential in filling the dead zones that will result from the switchover.

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Way back when, before cable, we used to try and watch TV from canadian stations, They were always snowy. Then when cable started and we could not afford all the channels I would be happy to just listen to some of the pay per view stuff. I feel like these days I am paying an awful lot a month to be advertised to. I would rather just watch DVD,s and forget the networks
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That's certainly a viable option, for those who prefer that approach.
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DTV = Disaster Television ?
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DTV = Disaster Television ?
For some reason, there sure are a lot of disaster shows on this summer:

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A four-hour (English language, German produced) sci-fi mini-series about humanity's efforts to survive after the moon is hit by a meteor and enters into a collision course with Earth.


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In a remote observatory, Dr. Lehman (Emmy winner Christopher Lloyd, "Back to the Future"), discovers a meteor approximately three times the size of Mount Everest barreling its way towards Earth. His devoted young assistant Imogene O'Neill (Marla Sokoloff, "The Practice") feverishly types in the coordinates only to find the previously identified meteor named Kassandra is headed their way. It's only the beginning of their troubles as showers of smaller meteorites begin to lay waste to major cities around the globe. The impending disaster brings out the best and the worst sides in people as they cope by either lending a helping hand or taking advantage of the situation.


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In "The Storm," also from RHI Entertainment, billionaire Robert Terrell (Golden Globe and Emmy nominee Treat Williams, "Everwood") has fulfilled a lifelong obsession and made history with "weather creation" technology though his Atmospheric Research Institute. But during a test run, a blast of energy is sent into the ionosphere with unexpected results. The experiments hurtle the planet towards destruction-hurricanes change course, winds go instantly from hot to cold, torrential rains bring regions to a standstill, and buildings crumble into ruins under explosive lightening storms. It's only the beginning. Only one scientist, Dr. Jonathan Kirk (James Van Der Beek, "Dawson's Creek"), steps forward to demand that the system be terminated. Terrell is undeterred and continues to push his team to move forward. His motives for the initially philanthropic technology is in truth far more opportunistic. With government cohort, Army General Braxton (David James Elliott, "JAG"), Terrell envisions the technology as a key military weapon to ensure super power status. Realizing he's powerless to stop the project by himself, Kirk contacts news reporter Danni Wilson (Teri Polo, "Meet the Parents") with plans to expose Terrell and explain the catastrophic weather to a bewildered and frightened world. It's a task that won't come easy, as Kirk quickly discovers the motives and loyalties of authorities are not in his favor. As devastating and extreme weather events hammer down on every corner of the Earth, it will be a race against time to shut down the system before the edge of extinction. Featuring a cast of television favorites including Emmy Winner John Larroquette ("Boston Legal"), Luke Perry ("Beverly Hills, 90210") and Marisol Nichols ("24"), "The Storm" is the ultimate tale of man against nature and an epic miniseries event posing a tantalizing and terrifying what-if scenario.
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is that that 2012 end of the world bologna? lol
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