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    How many channels OTA do you get?

    I was going to use a poll to do this, but the results I want make that impossible.

    I have 5 questions for you all:

    1. How many channels total, including subs, do you get reliably?

    2. How many UNIQUE channels do you get (No duplicates, although you may include as "unique" 2 stations from different markets on the same network with their own local news)

    3. How many TOTAL (including duplicate) stations you get in HD (720 or 1080)

    4. Your approximate location (and nearest major market)


    5. Anything unique to your location or situation. (Do you employ extraordinary measures, are you served by translators, etc?)

    I'll post mine below as an example.
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    1. Total channels: 28

    2: Unique channels: 20

    3: Total HD channels 8

    4: Logan, UT ( closest major market: Salt Lake City, 70 miles)

    5: Served by 2 sets of translators on the UT / Idaho border. Several stations are broadcast from both locations, ie, channels 2,4,5,9,13, and 14 come from both towers on different real channels, but are counted only once in #1 since they are really the same. If the 2 counties would cooperate and not duplicate, I could have as many as 44 channels...

    No extrodinary measures, as I am restricted by mountains on all sides. Just a simple radio shack u75r pointed N to Idaho, with the back side of the antenna picking up the UT translators.
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    1. Total channel: 42

    2. Unique channels: Not sure how to answer this one

    3. Total HD channels: 18

    4. Gary, IN (closest market: Chicago, about 30 miles from Downtown Chicago)

    5. Don't do anything to pickup most stations. WOCK-CD comes in from time to time. WWME-LD doesn't come in on the main antenna, but occasionally comes in on a small Winegard antenna (WWME-LD is also available on WCIU 23.1/26.2). Land is nearly all flat. No translators of full power stations in Chicago, though WBBM-TV has put in for one on RF 26, but don't know the status of that one.

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    2. Unique channels: Not sure how to answer this one
    Thanks, Dave73!

    for 2, As best as you can, how many without duplicates? ie, if you have 2 pbs channels, even from different markets, then you need only count 1.

    aprox number is ok...

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    1. Total - 57 (56 digital, 1 analog LP)

    2. Uniques - 49 Digital (note, I have two PBS stations but they also carry unique programming so I count them as uniques). Also 2 M/H. The dupes are: WNYW/WWOR, WXTV/WFUT. BAsically those stations have SD versions on each others' subs to back up each other (eg WWOR is available on WNYW's sub and vice versa), WNJB/WNJN and subs - NJN has a few repeaters across the state. W36AZ analog translator for WNJB (NJN).

    3. Total in HD incl dupes - 14

    4. Your approximate location (and nearest major market) - Wantage NJ apprx 48.5 miles NW of the empire state building. NYC DMA.

    5. Anything unique to your location or situation. - 48.5 miles away from transmitters in NYC, behind 2 hills, ~90 miles from Philly but no antenna in that direction. I will be able to pick up philly stations (as I already pick up KYW) but I haven't put up an antenna yet. My antennas are on a tower and the cable run is about 200ft to the distribution point in the house. There is one translator for WNJB (W36AZ) but they are analog and apparently limping along until they put the digital facility on air. They also prevent me from picking up one more HD and M/H.
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    Nothing reliable because my antenna is crappy. I had high hopes initially and for a few days was pretty happy, but it was a fluke. There is zero reliability. I've pretty much stopped even trying.

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    1. How many channels total: 36 channels come in all the time and eight others come in some of the time in the evening and morning. Plus three analog channels.

    2. How many UNIQUE channels do you get: 32. Four channels are simply sd versions of their hd counterparts

    3. How many TOTAL (including duplicate) stations you get in HD: Eight.

    4. Your approximate location: Dayton, Ohio.

    5. Anything unique to your location or situation: WCVN comes in most evenings and mornings and it really shouldn't according to TV Fool. It has a NM of -7.3.
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    34 total channels.

    26 Unique.

    13 HD.

    21 Unique English language.

    5 Unique Spanish languge.

    All are receivable on set top in the north facing upstairs bedroom, but I have an attic antenna for living room and office.

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    1.Total Channels 5
    2.Unique Channels 5
    3.Total HD Channels 3
    4.Location Wellsville NY, Major and only Market, Buffalo, NY about 70 miles away, the transmitters I receive are just under 50 miles.
    5. I live right next to a river with lots of trees and hills, so I have found that I need a lot of height on my antenna mast to get a good signal. I have used two stack UHF winegard yagis for a close to two years, but had problems this years with two stations. So I went to a DB 8 eight bay bowtie antenna and raise it another 10 feet, a lot easier to get height with that little antenna and better yet it work to solve my reception problem. There are no translators in my area, although the local PBS station WNED has numerous translators here, some of which are still license, all of them are dark. WNED reason that no one in this area is watching their signal on OTA , (and of course they are right, no one can pick up their OTA signal here) to save money the translators are dark, however they can afford to maintain offices in Toronto Canada, where there OTA signal can be received.
    Buffalo, NY has two sets of transmitters the ones south of Buffalo have always been serving this area. The other transmitters in Grand Island NY have never been a signal that could be received here or much of anywhere in the south western tier of NY, but they are in a great location to put a signal into Toronto Canada, the largest TV market in Canada, which of course that is where the PBS transmitter is located. That said I do at least 50 percent of the time pick up 4 UHF analog stations out of Toronto about 110 air miles and sometimes I pick up the CBC digital signal on Ch. 20, not bad considering it is only transmitting at a third of it's power., so when Canada goes to full power digital in Sept. 2011 I might get a few more stations, or maybe lose the ones I get, time will tell.

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    Location Wellsville NY, Major and only Market, Buffalo, NY about 70 miles away, the transmitters I receive are just under 50 miles
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    Chips,
    I know the area, I am from east of rochester (Ontario, NY) , and originally Alexandria Bay. Hope your situation improves with Canada going digital, But I've heard that Canadian stations will have no sub channels.

    I did the TVfool for my parents who camp along the St. Lawerence River, and it's the same kind of TV "Black Hole" there. 3 US stations, and a few Canadian Analogs. They have a travel trailer, so they can't get much hihger than about 12 ft. with it.

    I do miss going to the falls and Toronto on a moments notice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkreichen1968 View Post
    34 total channels.

    26 Unique.

    13 HD.

    21 Unique English language.

    5 Unique Spanish languge.

    All are receivable on set top in the north facing upstairs bedroom, but I have an attic antenna for living room and office.
    Yea, I find the Spanish channels so useless. Hey, If ENGLISH TV stations can put SAP / CC in SPANISH, why don't spanish stations put SAP/CC in ENGLISH? I bet they'd increase their viewers... Really annoying to be flipping past an English movie you want to watch only to realize its been dubbed into spanish... and there is no SAP/cc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPogi View Post
    Yea, I find the Spanish channels so useless. Hey, If ENGLISH TV stations can put SAP / CC in SPANISH, why don't spanish stations put SAP/CC in ENGLISH? I bet they'd increase their viewers... Really annoying to be flipping past an English movie you want to watch only to realize its been dubbed into spanish... and there is no SAP/cc.
    Well, for starters, I believe one of them here is already doing that. It might be Telemundo or Telefutura. But they are not the highest rated Spanish station which is Univision. Also, some of the CC on the Spanish stations can't keep up from what I've seen, especially for live events like soccer matches. They just talk way too fast.

    The other thing is that a lot of the Spanish language shows are produced in third world countries like Colombia where their priority obviously isn't an English sound track or even closed captioning. Some shows (movies especially) are simply English language shows with a Spanish language SAP track.

    Anyway, their core audience is the hispanic community, and they don't really cater to English speakers. That's just how it is. In fact if you call in to a Spanish language talk show and try to talk in English, they will tell you "en Espanol por favor." The telenovelas are fun to watch if you're learning or want to become fluent, however. But for me it's no big deal, as I understand the language, but I always find myself learning new words, phrases and expressions.

    But check their ratings, their ratings are pretty high even without the English speaking viewers...
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    Ryan:
    The other thing is that a lot of the Spanish language shows are produced in third world countries like Colombia where their priority obviously isn't an English sound track or even closed captioning. Some shows (movies especially) are simply English language shows with a Spanish language SAP track.
    I am not so concerned about the shows that originate in spanish, but really, the English movies and shows ORIGINATE with an English sound trach and subtitles. It shouldn't be that difficult to provide it in English also.

    If you get V-me (PBS subchannel), its almost exclusively dubbed shows, and there's a lot of content that was originally from pay tv channels. Sure would be nice to watch that stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPogi View Post
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    Chips,
    I know the area, I am from east of rochester (Ontario, NY) , and originally Alexandria Bay. Hope your situation improves with Canada going digital, But I've heard that Canadian stations will have no sub channels.
    I work in Rochester one day of the week, and use to service customers in Canandaigua.
    I did the TVfool for my parents who camp along the St. Lawerence River, and it's the same kind of TV "Black Hole" there. 3 US stations, and a few Canadian Analogs. They have a travel trailer, so they can't get much hihger than about 12 ft. with it.
    I really can't complain about it being a black hole. When I went back to to OTA I went back to the traditional OTA signal in this area. We always got WGRZ Ch.2 (NBC HD, Universal sports, and RTV) Now on Ch.33, WIVB Ch.4 (CBS HD and a very strong signal) now on Ch.39, and WKBW Ch.7 (ABC HD) now on Ch.38.. The only real difference is that I went from receiving Analog VHF, to a UHF signal in a very hilly and wooded area, a whole different animal so to speak, but still the same channels. The only real difference is I no longer have the WNED translators, so no more PBS, but you can't have everything. The analog channels out of Toronto is a real bonus and a surprise.
    I do miss going to the falls and Toronto on a moments notice!
    Niagara Falls is one of my favorite places to visit, but a two hour drive from here. It is great to take family members or friends there for the first time.

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    Chips,
    Too bad you lost PBS, they usually have a 720p and 2-3 SD subs.

    Niagara Falls Canada was about 2 hours from where I lived before, and in retrospect, a very short trip. Distances in the desert west are HUGE, it takes me 90 mins to get to SLC, the ONLY major city in this state. 8 hours to Vegas through the stinkin desert... Canandaigua and the Finger Lakes region is great, I liked to drive around them and stop at the wineries along the way. Try getting NY State wine here in the west, in this state its impossible.

    BTW, ALWAYS Niagara Falls, CANADA, not USA. How did Niagara Falls NY get to be such a rundown toxic waste cesspool?
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    I hope I'm doing this right.

    1. How many channels total, including subs, do you get reliably?

    Home: 17 (Including WDRL currently silent)
    School: 16

    2. How many UNIQUE channels do you get (No duplicates, although you may include as "unique" 2 stations from different markets on the same network with their own local news)

    Home: 14 (Fox simulcast 27-1/21-2, CW simulcast 21-1/27-2, PBS simulcast 15-1/15-2, includes WDRL currently silent)
    School: 14 (CBS simulcast 19-1/16-2, FOX simulcast 27-1/19-3)

    3. How many TOTAL (including duplicate) stations you get in HD (720 or 1080)

    Home: 7
    School: 6

    4. Your approximate location (and nearest major market)

    Home: Roanoke market
    School: Charlottesville market

    5. Anything unique to your location or situation. (Do you employ extraordinary measures, are you served by translators, etc?)

    Home: WWCW is the strongest signal we receive, but is deleted from all receivers in the house since its programming is duplicated on WFXR. (Historically, in analog, 27 had a better picture than 21, thus the 27-x stations have been kept.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPogi View Post
    How did Niagara Falls NY get to be such a rundown toxic waste cesspool?
    Few know the real answer. Hooker Chemical buried the toxic waste properly with impervious clay caps in an area known as Love Canal, a failed attempt at a predecessor to the Welland canal.

    The Niagara Falls School District forced Hooker to sell the land to the school district for a new school. The school was built on top of the clay cap, but the water and sewer lines installed to service the new school allowed the chemicals to leach. Next, the school district sold parts of the land to a developer who then built houses with basements on the land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPogi View Post
    Chips,
    Too bad you lost PBS, they usually have a 720p and 2-3 SD subs.
    Actually they WNED broadcast in 1080i with two subs. About 2 or 3 days out of the year when the Troph. Is just right I can pick up WNED for about 10 minutes or so.
    I don't want to rant, but WNED does irritate me, their transmitter Antenna is somewhat tilted in the direction towards Toronto and although they are funded by viewers like you, without the federal and state funding they would be off the air. In my opinion they are more interested in putting an OTA signal in the Densely populated area around Toronto and pretty much have written off the translators (they have told me they will no longer transmit from any of their translators) they have in the more rural less populated area they serve on the U.S. side of the border where they receive public funding.
    BTW, ALWAYS Niagara Falls, CANADA, not USA. How did Niagara Falls NY get to be such a rundown toxic waste cesspool?
    As for Niagara Falls NY. I have a friend who lived all his live in the Niagara Falls NY and at different times has driven a tour bus for the park service, when he gets friends visiting, he takes them to Niagara Falls Canada.

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    Tower Guy,
    The drive to the falls along the river is really nasty, industrial, lots of chemical plants and just plain rundown. And the smell of chems hang in the air when its calm.

    Chips:
    when he gets friends visiting, he takes them to Niagara Falls Canada.
    Yea, I am with your friend. When I take people to the falls, we pass right by the American side. Seems to be a self perpetuating situation, it's not nice there so less people come, spending less when they DO go, causing less money to be available for rebuilding, and on and on... so much cleaner, and cheaper on the Canadian side with lots more to do and see.

    On the plus side, you can buy a house there for almost nothing.
    On the minus side, you have to live there.

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    I hope I'm doing this right.
    Yep, thats exactly what I'm looking for, Trip. Thanks a lot.

 

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