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Old 06-15-2009, 09:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Major Philadelphia station (6ABC) DTV broadcast power may not be enough

The loss of reception of 6ABC is widespread in Philadelphia, South Jersey and the suburbs.

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Thousands of over-the-air TV viewers lost 6ABC, the No. 1 local news station, in Friday's digtal-TV transition. Officials are meeting in Washington today to find a solution, a government official said."]Thousands of over-the-air TV viewers lost 6ABC, the No. 1 local news station, in Friday's digtal-TV transition. Officials are meeting in Washington today to find a solution, a government official said.
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6ABC is broadcasting its digital signals on the lowest VHF band
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A FCC member in Philadelphia said the problem could be with broadcast power from the station, the government-subsidized converter boxes or antennas. I think it's lack of broadcast power on the VHF spectrum.
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Old 06-15-2009, 12:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The loss of reception of 6ABC is widespread in Philadelphia, South Jersey and the suburbs.

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A FCC member in Philadelphia problem could be with broadcast power from the station, the government-subsidized converter boxes or antennas.
This to me falls in the surprise surprise category.

Digital just doesn't work on Low Band VHF (Ch 2-6) because there so much noise on that band. Leaving it as a TV Band was a total joke and only used to justify grabbing 51-59 from TV broadcast.

51-59 was lobbied away from TV by the cell phone and wireless internet people. The FCC pretended not to know digital would not work on low band, but they knew better.

The NE market is so crowed now with the loss of 51-69 some stations just took a chance Low Band "might" work. You can plainly see it doesn't.

The FCC knew it would not work. Any TV engineer worth their salt knew it would not work.

But some stations in crowded areas were forced there. Some not so technically smart managers saw they would run even less electricity on low band and choose it though they had alternatives.

I am glad there is some media coverage about this, but it's too late to change things, which was also planned into the channel grab. By the time the public realized channels 2-6 would not work on analog, it would be too late.

What makes me crazy is first the public safety was given room in the 800 MHz band where channels 70 to 83 were next to cell phones and hardly used them. They were also given parts of channels 14 to 19 to use conventional analog public safety radios. Lots of towns ran to the analog because it was cheaper and better range than 800 MHz.

So I think in my humble opinion, now we gave public safety new spectrum, from more TV channels gone for them, they need to get off Channels 14 to 19 with a reasonable time limit to move to 700 MHz. Lots of areas need those channels badly just like the article said with 6ABC maybe moving unused channels.

I love the part where they call it a "glitch" . The words rip off, inept, stealing, lobbyist, more come to my mind.

Also did you notice people right under the tower are having problems?

Low band just doesn't work. It's time for the FCC to eat the mess they allowed to be lobbied into.
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Old 06-16-2009, 01:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Just to let you guys know, there is a lot of buzz about this in Philly right now.
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Default WPVI 6ABC deleting negative comments from their DTV Story

Seems that there's some kind of controversy brewing at DTV Transition Help | 6abc.com - 6/15/09 - Philadelphia News - 6abc.com

I've been watching comments posted at that page and then dissapearing for the last hour. Now they only show 1 which says,

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For those who just joined us, 6abc has deleted >300 negative comments, 6 times since yesterday alone. But the truth is out there. See Bob Fernandez's Inquirer story (Google 6abc reception problems). Best and most honest coverage so far. 6abc can’t kill the story. Maybe over the air is only 5% of viewers, but FCC license requires usable OTA signal. And maybe 6abc should refund 5% of ad revenue to advertisers. Email advertisers till it’s fixed
People have a legitimate complaint and instead of 6ABC being up front with viewers, they're just deleting their viewers comments.
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Old 06-17-2009, 01:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
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haha, I did a search on 6ABC Reception problems, and found a thread at another forum deep in discussion about the problem with a "TripinVA" comment. Is that Trip from here?

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14, 15, and 16 are reserved for Land Mobile (police and whatnot) in New York. So are 19 and 20 in Philly, and 18 has to protect it.
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The upper-VHF is better than low-VHF, but upper-VHF doesn't work well on indoor antennas either. Evidence in the real world is supporting this assertion.
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This to me falls in the surprise surprise category.

Digital just doesn't work on Low Band VHF (Ch 2-6) because there so much noise on that band. Leaving it as a TV Band was a total joke and only used to justify grabbing 51-59 from TV broadcast.
Disney/ABC should have learned from the experience that CBS-owned WBBM-TV/DT was having in Chicago before electing to move WPVI-DT to channel 6, the channel used by analog WPVI-TV. WBBM-DT was broadcasting on channel 3 prior to June 12. A lot of people in the Chicago area could not receive WBBM-DT, even within the city limits; in fact, that was the only DTV station that most Chicagoans could not receive dependably. CBS applied to the FCC to move WBBM-DT to channel 12, where it is now broadcasting. Reception has improved greatly.

WPVI-DT had to vacate its original digital channel, channel 64, as that is being reallocated to other services. But they will need to petition for another allocation in either the high VHF band or the UHF band. Channel 6 will not work, for reasons stated below.

The biggest problem with DTV in this country is that the FCC adopted the wrong standard and modulation scheme. I witnessed the demonstrations that Sinclair Broadcasting held in Baltimore ten years ago. For the demonstration, they used an analog station on channel 45 (WBFF-TV) and a digital station on channel 40 (WNUV-DT). One demonstration took place inside a condominium overlooking Baltimore's Inner Harbor. The windows faced away from Baltimore's TV tower. Using an indoor antenna, the analog signal was unwatchable, with multipath obliterating the sync pulses and causing the picture to break up. When the digital transmitter used the American 8-VSB DTV scheme, reception was impossible unless the antenna was placed on the window ledge. If anyone walked near the antenna or touched it, the picture would break up and disappear. When the station switched to the European COFDM system, we had perfect reception no matter where the antenna was placed. When a technician disconnected the coaxial connector from the antenna, he got perfect reception when he touched the center conductor of the antenna cable! Sinclair petitioned the FCC to adopt the European system, but was denied. Incidentally, the groundwork for that system was laid in Murray Hill, New Jersey, as OFDM (forerunner to COFDM) was invented in the 1970s by Bell Laboratories. Ironically, all digital studio-transmitter links and remote pickup systems (the microwave systems used for getting video from the news vans to the studio) use COFDM, even in this country!

Although the American DTV system has improved somewhat, areas with a lot of multipath will still get lousy DTV reception. Channel 6 is particularly bad for DTV use, as it is adjacent to the FM broadcast band and strong FM signals may interfere with the DTV tuners and converter boxes. The same interference that would put "worms" (diagonal lines that wiggle with the modulation on the FM station) on the picture of an analog channel 6 station will cause a complete failure of DTV reception on that channel. In Philadelphia, WPVI-TV transmitted at 100 kW visual ERP, which is sufficient to override FM interference within the city grade contour of the TV station. The low ERP of the digital signal will not override this interference. Electrical noise, such as ignition noise from passing cars, will also cause dropouts in DTV reception and low VHF channels are especially susceptible to this.

WPVI-TV was a cash cow for Disney/ABC. I wonder how long it will take for their advertisers to scream bloody murder due to the lousy coverage of the digital signal.

Folks, this is what happens when you have a Congress that is beholden to lobbyists and an FCC that is run by lawyers, rather than engineers. Enjoy!

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Looks like they don't want to take the blame for something they couldn't control themselves. Many VHF stations' response is to put a link for antenna shopping. I bought one of the new "2009 DTV VHF UHF 100 mile range" antennas, just so I can try to get a minimum of 4 channels more.
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WPVI applied to boost to 30.2 kW. WRGB to 18.56 kW. WEDY to 1.6 kW.

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