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Old 06-18-2009, 09:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Angry Can't get CBS in Ohio HELP ME!!

So I'm near Cleveland, Ohio and the only channel I can't get is CBS, which is the only channel I watch. I've tried endlessly doing autoscans, moving around the antena, doing both at the same time, and doing nothing at all. All the other channels work...just not CBS! (WOIO in my region) Why is this happening!!
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Old 06-18-2009, 09:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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We need to see your TV Fool plot. Go there, enter your location info, and post the results here. It'll give you important information like how far away you are from broadcast towers. What kind of antenna are you using? Indoor/Outdoor/Manufacture?
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:08 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm using an indoor anntena. It looks to me like that graph is saying I should be able to get CBS with an indoor anntena.
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WOIO is a VHF channel. Is your indoor antenna a UHF/VHF or just a UHF? Is it powered? It's right on the "indoor antenna" borderline at almost 20 miles away.
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Its UHF/VHF I think, and it's not powered, just plugged into the DTV box.

But my brother has one of the new ones that were right by the converter boxes, and his CBS doesn't work either.

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WOIO-DT is severely underpowered. You'll most likely require a bigger antenna to receive it.

I wish they'd flip This onto 19-2 and put CBS on 43-2 until something gets sorted, but that would make too much sense...

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Its UHF/VHF I think, and it's not powered, just plugged into the DTV box.

But my brother has one of the new ones that were right by the converter boxes, and his CBS doesn't work either.
At least you are line of sight.

They are running a directional array very underpowered (exactly Trip) so in your direction they are running 2.4 KW ERP by my calculations, 3KW by TVFool. Either way it's horribly low power.

That is nearly exactly the power but almost double distance people in Gainesville FL see from their NBC WNBW. Only a few lucky ones see anything on an indoor antenna. Most of them are using a small outdoor VHF antenna to receive it.

Is there away for you to put up a short outside antenna? Just has to be above the peak of the roof at most or one inside the attic?

I just don't think any antenna indoors is going to work unless you hang a 6 element yagi across the ceiling (which would work but be a strange decoration).

Even if they are allowed to raise power to 10.3 KW per their application to the FCC (it's not guaranteed), it will only boost their signal by 4 db. That might take you from no CBS inside to one that breaks up constantly inside.

so let us know if it's even possible to put up an outdoor antenna.

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Let me know if you can put up an outdoor antenna. I looked at things and a couple of small antennas into a special joiner (under $100) you should have rock solid signals.
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Why WOIO is low low low power.

From the Ohio Media Watch site...

"WOIO has two answers to questions about this untenable situation:

1) "We applied for a power increase." Well, they did, from 3.5 kW to 10.3 kW, but it's being held up by Canadian coordination issues.

You think? Really? Wow, what a surprise! Gee, we wonder why?

Considering that London ONT powerhouse CFPL is also sitting on 10 (analog right now, they'll keep 10 for digital whenever that happens), what were Raycom corporate engineers thinking by insisting on a RF 10 digital facility for WOIO? What were they smoking?

Didn't they realize that before their digital facility first tuned up, in-market viewers along Lake Erie were able to watch CFPL *IN THE CLEVELAND MARKET* with little difficulty?

Didn't they know that CFPL was so strong in eastern Cuyahoga County, it was carried on local cable in that part of the area?

Someone has to tell CBS about this."


Read the rest of the article at the link below. It's in cache form to make it easier to find the parts about WOIO.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache...gl=us&ie=UTF-8
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Hi I am a reporter with BusinessWeek doing a story on the the digital transition. I would really like to talk to those of you like CBScomeback who have been having trouble with their television reception since the transition.

You can email me at commentstojoel@gmail.com

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