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Old 07-28-2009, 09:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Would a Channel Master 4221HD balun improve the old 4221 version?

Is this a low loss balun that would improve the old 4221? Or are these low loss baluns designed specifically for a particular antenna? That seems unlikely.

Im thinking about trying to scrape one up from Channel Master to try with my old American Made 4221.
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Old 07-29-2009, 10:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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As you know better than anyone, experimenting won't hurt anything.

Your main risk here is that the 4221HD may well have an impedance value that's different from the old 4221, and that CM probably designed the balun with the 4221HD's actual impedance in mind. CM probably kept the 3021/4221's impedance fairly close to 300 ohms so as to match twinlead and off-the-shelf coax transformers, but this isn't necessary when a built-in balun is part of the design. The greater the impedance mismatch, the more the antenna's gain will suffer. That's also insertion loss, at least indirectly.
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So the balun is specifically designed for the particular antenna's characteristics? Its not just a low loss 4 to 1 balun.
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Ken Nist is a far better authority on the topic. His temporary page kinda sorta touches on this. He doesn't mention hard humbers, though, just ratios to 75 ohms.
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