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    Antenna Recommendation?


    This is a discussion on Antenna Recommendation? within the DTV | HDTV Reception and Antenna Discussion forums, part of the Over-the-Air (Antenna TV) category.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JimP View Post
      Hi dKreichen1968, I ordered the GreenDish online after I heard the HTGUYS podcast on July 13th. I would never have paid 0 bucks for an unknown product. I always wait for someone else to take the risk first and wait for the review. I previously paid 9.00 plus tax on my older antenna, and had to rent a cherry picker for .00 bucks which I reluctantly paid, so I could place my older antenna on my 30 foot mast. My wife hated that because she thinks I'm to old to be up there. I also had the same problem with my existing cable. The GreenDish installer put the Dish-Tenna on the North East side of my house on a small mast which looks just like a DBS mast on my Gable end and ran a channel scan. He got zero. I was ready to send it back, and dismiss it as nonsense. He did some testing on my wire and told me he had to change my RG6 cable because it did not meet their specs. His volt circuit was open with my main line. I told him I'm not paying extra for new cable ; I already have RG6, so what's the difference? The installer pointed out that I did not have to pay extra because they include 50 feet of their RG6 with the package. He informed me my cable had single shield. He cut the black rubber and showed me where the shield was cracked and it didn't let the voltage reach the Dish-Tenna. When he put the new RG6 with tri-shield 90 percent braid and ran a new scan, to my suprise, It picked up 80 channels! He also showed me how to tell the difference betweeen good and great cables. I been doing my own antennas when we used to use the old lead wires and had to twist the lines to avoid RF interference LOL. You learn some thing new every day. He showed me If the cable is smooth, it's cheap china single shield. If you can see the braids through the rubber, it's most likely double or tri-shield. My previous antenna was the Channel Master CM-3679 Deep Fringe Crossfire Series Outdoor TV Antenna which I had installed myself as I live 62 miles from the transmitters. I used to get 29 channels regularly and 35 on good nights when ducting occured. I asked him, if my cable was bad, why would I be getting 29 channels with my existing line. He explained that my old antenna worked just fine with the old line because it only needed the copper core where as the GreenDish needs both the core and Shield for the voltage. I'm not an engineer so I don't understand all this gain and beam stuff but I've put up quite abit of tv antennas in my time. Just to give you a clue, I remember when my first tv went out and I purchased the Magnavox 4DT6A tube to fix it. For those of you who remember the tube, you now have an idea of my age. I digress, this little dish is worth it. Anyway that's my 2cents for anyone who has the same issue as me and wants to get more channels. It really does work and I recommend it.
      It must be noted that this IP address traced back to Florida and is the same as a Green Dish representative that posted under this post: DTV Green Dish Dishtenna

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jason Fritz View Post
      It must be noted that this IP address traced back to Florida and is the same as a Green Dish representative that posted under this post: DTV Green Dish Dishtenna
      Hahahaha

      Not to mention the obvious issues with what was stated.

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      ... He cut the black rubber and showed me where the shield was cracked and it didn't let the voltage reach the Dish-Tenna. When he put the new RG6 with tri-shield 90 percent braid and ran a new scan, to my suprise, It picked up 80 channels! ...
      Jim P,

      Thank you for your report. Your original antenna setup using a Channel Master CM-3679 Deep Fringe Crossfire antenna system was compromised by damaged coax so this comparison between the two antennas is of little worth.

      I hear what you are saying: if you had installed new, top quality RG-6 the CM-3679 might have been able to receive as many or more channels.
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      Last edited by Fringe Reception; 07-15-2012 at 05:31 PM.
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      Especially when coupled with a pre-amp like the one integrated into the Green dish.

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      Quote Originally Posted by nbound-au View Post
      Especially when coupled with a pre-amp like the one integrated into the Green dish.
      There are other possibilities as well as a pre-amp. At least now we know current is flowing to the dishtoonie through the coax. At this rate, maybe in five years we'll have one or two gain figures?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jason Fritz View Post
      It must be noted that this IP address traced back to Florida and is the same as a Green Dish representative that posted under this post: DTV Green Dish Dishtenna
      Ain't that amazin? Coupled with the fact he was able to get a Green Dish installer out on the very same day, or earlier than, the htguys review on which he based his decision. You can see the comment by JimP dated July 13 here: HDTV and Home Theater Podcast - Podcasts - Podcast #539: DTV Green Dish - Dishtenna****Review

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      Quote Originally Posted by Rickideemus View Post
      There are other possibilities as well as a pre-amp.
      I cant think of any that would apply to a standard receive only antenna.

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      Forget all of the gimmicks...You need to concentrate on the UHF channels in your area. I don't see a single VHF channel in your line of sight channel list, and I can't tell how important some of the other channels would be to you, but concentrate on a quality UHF antenna with a rotor. The main problem with a lot of the current DTV sets and receivers is the lack of ability to add channels that the scan does not pick up, and this is a problem when using DTV antennas and rotors.

      I still have a love for the Clear Stream C series of UHF antennas, simply because I have seen their performance capabilities in the field, and on industry standard test equipment as a Broadcast Engineer. They provide great gain, and good EVM numbers, as well as good Multi Path rejection, which to me is the biggest enemy of reliable TV Reception.

      I have a superior DTV Antenna in the development and patent stage, that out performs anything on the market now, but i can't say much about it or sell any of them now because I am seeking a patent, and I could jeopardize my design secrets if I showed it or sold anyone a proto-type. It is a compact UHF antenna that also does a good job with the VHF high band channels too, where the C- Series antennas don't even begin to perform on VHF. I have two designs which are basically a city grade version, as well as a fringe area version.
      WE ARE NOT SHEEPLE !!

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      Quote Originally Posted by nbound-au View Post
      I cant think of any that would apply to a standard receive only antenna.
      Welp, there are electrical capacitive hats, for one. Remember, the dishtentacle is "revolutionary"!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Rickideemus View Post
      Welp, there are electrical capacitive hats, for one. Remember, the dishtentacle is "revolutionary"!!
      Ah yes capacitive hats, but where would they be placed AND SOMEHOW CONCEALED on/in a recycled satellite dish?

      Just Google Green Dish Installations under IMAGES and you get NOTHING. Green Dish installations - Google Search

      Google Images has somehow managed to capture/offer many of my online photos but why are there ZERO photos of the penultimate Green Dish Antenna available through that little itty-bitty website called GOOGLE????

      Let the buyer beware.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Rickideemus View Post
      You can see the comment by JimP dated July 13 here:
      Not any more. The htguys removed many posts, not wanting to give free advertising to the dish people. They also promise to address some issues in the podcast this coming Friday.

      Hope springs eternal! "I believe I can fly ..."

      Still holding out hope for my GREEN CHEESE theory.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Fringe Reception View Post
      Just Google Green Dish Installations under IMAGES and you get NOTHING. Green Dish installations - Google Search

      Google Images has somehow managed to capture/offer many of my online photos but why are there ZERO photos of the penultimate Green Dish Antenna available through that little itty-bitty website called GOOGLE????
      Well, you have a web site. I don't think the Green Dish people had any web presence before the recent "going national" announcement. They'll probably claim they had more work than they could handle, or they were waiting for their patent to be granted.

      Nevertheless, when I clicked that link you provided, I immediately saw two installation pictures. I linked to a half dozen others in another thread, and I DID find those through google. (One trick is to use the custom date selection, to eliminate ALL the ENORMOUS cross referencing to the "go national" announcement.)

      All in all, I've seen about a dozen Green Dish installations -- three from the "street view" on google maps. I found the probable addresses of various Green cohorts, and in a few cases it panned out. They are dishes, and you can see they are pointing in the "wrong" direction for a regular satellite feed.

      So it does exist, and has existed (in different forms -- not originally all 18 inches with 4 lobes) since 2008. I spent maybe 6 or 7 hours "Green googling." Guess I just wanted to believe. Now I think maybe they're just good salesmen whose installers impress customers by doing a decent job after their OTA has laid fallow for decades.

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