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Help trying to get an NBC station in my area


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    Help trying to get an NBC station in my area

    Hello I'm trying to get an NBC station in my area tvfool map here: []TV Fool As you can see there are 2 NBC stations that are kinda close (by close I Mean far away...)The only NBC station that I get rarely is WPSD around 1 in the morning,never have I got WMC.
    What antenna should I get or should I build? Thank you for your help


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    My antennas: DIY Coathanger antenna outside on roof and an GE amplified antenna with aluminum foil reflector.
    Channels I already receive: WJKT WBBJ WATN WLMT WHBQ WREG WKNO, I get others but they only come in at night

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormdude124 View Post
    Hello I'm trying to get an NBC station in my area tvfool map here: []TV Fool As you can see there are 2 NBC stations that are kinda close (by close I Mean far away...)The only NBC station that I get rarely is WPSD around 1 in the morning,never have I got WMC.
    What antenna should I get or should I build? Thank you for your help


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    My antennas: DIY Coathanger antenna outside on roof and an GE amplified antenna with aluminum foil reflector.
    Channels I already receive: WJKT WBBJ WATN WLMT WHBQ WREG WKNO, I get others but they only come in at night
    In order to get WMC, you will need an all channel VHF antenna. If you want to get a combo antenna, you will need one that is optimized for VHF-Lo & VHF-Hi, since you have 2 VHF stations. I would say that either the Antennacraft C490 or Winegard HD7084 are the best choices for getting WMC on RF 5. You may need a pre-amplifier as well. You might want to re-run your report with height off the ground, so we have an idea how well the stations are off the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormdude124 View Post
    ... The only NBC station that I get rarely is WPSD around 1 in the morning,never have I got WMC.
    What antenna should I get or should I build? Thank you for your help
    Stormdude,

    Since you 'almost' receive WPSD, have you tried moving your antenna to different locations? Sometime a change of only six inches up OR down can make a world of difference. A few feet to the side or on the other end of your building may help.

    The antennas Dave suggested are not small, in fact low band antennas are monsters. Since you mentioned building your own antenna (for WPSD) take a look at my photo albums here to see what I have built for single channel reception. If you want to build one for yourself, I can offer some simple tricks.

    Jim

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    @Dave73 Thank you for the reply Here is a better report:TV Fool
    I might consider Buying the antenna craft (100$ budget) 'if' I buy one also here is pictures of my setup: (https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=099E3...9E32AEC5C18FA3) (now you can see that one is a diy antenna made from scraps laying around lol)

    @Fringe Reception That would be great if you could help me out anything to try and pull in WPSD atleast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fringe Reception View Post
    The antennas Dave suggested are not small, in fact low band antennas are monsters.
    They don't have to be.

    Stormdude,

    You got nothing to lose but a few pennies and a little time. And if it works for you, WOO-HOO!

    Folded-Dipoles are amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweller View Post
    They don't have to be.

    Stormdude,

    You got nothing to lose but a few pennies and a little time. And if it works for you, WOO-HOO!

    Folded-Dipoles are amazing!
    Sweller,

    Spot-on! I agree with sweller: its worth a shot assuming you build a dipole that is resonent at that particular frequency. (Personally, I would follow his suggestion and try it) ... Go for it!

    But be aware, low band VHF is 'noisy' and the 1's and O's (ones and zeros) of digital HDTV are damaged by 'RF noise'. Your fridge, your aquarium heater, your microwave oven's power supply, your fluorescent lamp in the Range Hood, your sump pump or the neighbor's air conditioner relays (CLICK!) might wipe its reception.

    Let's not forget the 6-meter ham band (just above RF channel 6) and other low-band VHF services that may be in your area.

    Please keep us posted on your results.

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    (I registered an account so now i'm (stormdude64 wouldn't let me use 124) Anyways I built the awesomest antenna ever xD
    Heres pics:https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=099E3...9E32AEC5C18FA3
    The very tall one by that shed I built that today (7/26/13) What I did was Get a VHF/UHF Transformer and build a Hi-VHF/Lo-VHF/UHF antenna (Coathanger antenna on steroids)Drilled two holes on the top of the antenna for the VHF Dipoles Stuck them all the way out long ways (for ch.5_WMC) drilled two holes on the back side of the wood so i could feed the wires for the vhf (did the same for uhf)and here are all the channels I get now (long list here we go...)WREG 3.1,CBS 3.2,NC3A 3.3,AntennaTV 5.1,WMC-NBC 5.2,BOUNCE 5.3THIS TV
    7.1,WBBJ-DT 7.2,WBBJ-DV 7.3,WBBJCBS 8.1,KAIT 8.2,24/7we 10.1,WKNO 10.2,WORLD 13.1,WHBQ-TV 13.2,MOVIES 16.1,WJKT
    19.1-19.4,KTEJPBS 23.1,WTWV-DT 23.2,WTWV-DT2 24.1,WATN 30.1,WLMT 30.2,ME-TV 40.1-40.5,TBN (alot of christian networks) 50.1-50.4 (ION networks) The other antenna was designed for 5 (the one in the gutter of the house) and it also worked!!!!(when its daytime ill take better pictures)
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    Great to here that it worked.

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    Hello,

    I am having an issue with NBC 5 as well. I live in West Chicago (60185) and just installed the massive winegard hd7084 in my attic. It is grabbing 50 stations very well. 5.1 and 5.2 are the exception (NBC and Cozi TV). I get pixilation and hang-ups at random with a perfect image in between. No other low channels have this issue and the signal is from the same location as those channels (30 miles due east). Please help a new guy! Goodbye Comcast. I am VERY excited about the new setup, but man does my body hurt from hanging on trusses in the attic! Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

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    WMAQ operates on UHF 29.

    Try moving the antenna, it just happens to be in a dead spot for that channel. Of course, moving an antenna that massive in an attic will be akin to moving an aircraft carrier in a swimming pool. What in the world prompted you to acquire such a hunk of aluminum in the first place? Your situation does not require it.

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    Thank you and update

    It is overkill, but the other Winegard antennas advertised reception of channels 7 and up. I didn't want to miss 2 or 5. Also, the stations are 30 miles away and I was installing in my thattic. I didn't want to risk a poor signal as most of the smaller antennas seem to drop off at about 30 miles (although they advertise to 'reach' up to 50.

    Here are some more observations / issues that I haveeerienced:

    - Channel 5 works fine in the basement! Does this mean I need a signal amplifier for the upstairs lead that runs to the TV having reception issues? If so, do I install that at the antenna in the attic, just before the splitter in the basement, or after the splitter on the weak run? Also, any advice on what brand to buy? I have read that the Winegard one has an issue with power supply failure. Basement run is about 120 feet of coax with the splitter at 100'. Problem TV is about 150 total with splitter at 100' mark. Splitter is a PCT-VC-9U.

    - Some channels will not tune in the morning, but are fine in the evening! Is this a normal issue?

    Thanks for the advice. I will reposition my metal and wait to hear input on the amplifier.

    Ed

    Quote Originally Posted by ProjectSHO89 View Post
    WMAQ operates on UHF 29.

    Try moving the antenna, it just happens to be in a dead spot for that channel. Of course, moving an antenna that massive in an attic will be akin to moving an aircraft carrier in a swimming pool. What in the world prompted you to acquire such a hunk of aluminum in the first place? Your situation does not require it.

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    Welcome to the confusing world of digital television. Channel 2 is actually broadcast on channel 12 and channel 5 is broadcast on channel 29. The only station that broadcasts on low VHF (channels 2-6) is WOCK-CD(Channel 13) which broadcasts on real channel 4. The display channel is a "virtual channel". Most network stations moved out of the electrically noisy low-VHF band when they went digital.
    Snappy Dan Reminds You:

    DO NOT install antennas anywhere where they could fall into overhead power lines!!! An antenna falling into power lines may result in electrical shock or death. All outdoor antennas must be grounded in accordance with the National Electrical Code (NEC). Be careful while working on roofs or towers. Always use appropriate safety precautions!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed B- Guest View Post
    It is overkill, but the other Winegard antennas advertised reception of channels 7 and up. I didn't want to miss 2 or 5. Also, the stations are 30 miles away and I was installing in my thattic.
    As the others mentioned, "7 and up" refers to the RF channels (reported as "Real" in your TV Fool Report TV Fool ). You don't really have any low VHF channels to worry about.

    I didn't want to risk a poor signal as most of the smaller antennas seem to drop off at about 30 miles (although they advertise to 'reach' up to 50.
    Well, there's small and then there's small. Any kind of 4 bay or medium sized Yagi would have been fine. Talking 4 feet or less.

    Channel 5 works fine in the basement! Does this mean I need a signal amplifier
    Absolutely not. I think it means you have some kind of intermittent electrical noise (air conditioner?) affecting the signal above the basement. Or you may have a magic tuner in the basement. Seriously, you could switch the TVs to see if the problem disappears.

    for the upstairs lead that runs to the TV having reception issues? If so, do I install that at the antenna in the attic, just before the splitter in the basement, or after the splitter on the weak run?
    Any amplifier would go as close to the antenna as possible, but DO NOT buy any pre-amp before you get a specific diagnosis and recommendation from the experts here. You really shouldn't need it. I live 18 miles north of you, and channel 5 comes in loud and clear. (I have a short cable run to a single TV, but even so...)

    Basement run is about 120 feet of coax with the splitter at 100'. Problem TV is about 150 total with splitter at 100' mark. Splitter is a PCT-VC-9U.
    Whoa! The PCT-VC-9U is an 8 port CATV splitter, no? I looked at a couple ads, and I don't see any mention of OTA frequencies. That might be your problem right there. And why so much cable?? Do I have this straight? You have 100 feet of cable going from the attic to the basement, where you run it through the CATV splitter, then another 20 feet of cable going back upstairs? Got to be a better way, Ed.

    Some channels will not tune in the morning, but are fine in the evening! Is this a normal issue?
    Happens to me mostly at sun rise or sun down. Maybe something to do with moisture coming off the lake ...

    Rick

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    Here ya go. Read this review on Amazon ...
    Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: PCT 8 Port Bi-Directional Cable TV Splitter Signal Booster/Amplifier with Active Return Zero Signal Loss and VoIP Telephone Bypass
    Quote Originally Posted by Amazon reviewer
    Inside the box was a full page flyer recommending another model for OTA use!
    Despite what he says though, don't go out and buy an OTA amplifier. First switch to a regular 2 way OTA channel splitter (assuming you have only two TVs), then figure out how to cut the cable length to a minimum, then maybe look at an amplifier if there's still a problem.

    R.

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    Sorry, I can't get that link to work correctly. It worked OK the other day in *my* browser, but apparently there's some kind of hocus pocus going on with the way the board software throws up a link. In fact, you can see the link change right before your eyes (with Google Chrome, at least) when you hover your mouse over it. Yet neither of those links are the link I pasted into the message, which would have taken you right to the review. Too many geniuses out there, with the overpowering urge to razzle dazzle folks into buying stuff they don't need. Anyhow, here's the whole text of that review I mentioned:

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    [rating:3 out of 5 stars] Is this the right amp for you?, May 25, 2013
    By makrie
    Amazon Verified Purchase
    This review is from: PCT 8 Port Bi-Directional Cable TV Splitter Signal Booster/Amplifier with Active Return Zero Signal Loss and VoIP Telephone Bypass (Electronics)

    Nothing wrong with this amp, matter of fact it maybe great but make sure you need this one! I didn't, but couldn't tell until the package arrived... Decided to switch to OTA to save money...found poor reviews on non bi-directional amps steering me away from them. Didn't really understand the issue and made the wrong assumption. Inside the box was a full page flyer recommending another model for OTA use! This will work but if fails will cut signal completely. Since OTA doesn't require an amplified return signal a "Passive Return Amp" is recommended by the manufacturer.

    Although the advertisement stresses it's use for cable systems, would it have been difficult to add the warning "not recommended for OTA" in the description? It would have saved time and return shipping costs.
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    Also should mention that OTA stands for "Over The Air," i.e. anything you'd pick up with a regular antenna.

    Rick
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    Really hope your problem gets solved.hope you some break-through like I did on the forums to help you out as well .I always say go home brewed, but this is your choice.I can clarify my post at the top if you would like to build one (It doesn't have to be a tower like mine lol)
    The antenna is UHF designed but you can mod it like I did real easily

    (Idk why all the sudden I have multiple accounts on one e-mail so im Thundeer,stormdude124,stormdude64)

 

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