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Old 10-18-2009, 08:19 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Fine, its obvious Im not liked here.

Im out.

Piggie ran 1inxs and cowbowup4christ out too. I wont be the first. However I will be the first that was actually run out in Stalinist fashion.

I didnt start a thread to complain about other posters, and then make ridiculous ultimatums. But its a popularity contest, not legal procedings.

Ive had my say.

I will gather up my things, shortly.

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Old 10-18-2009, 10:01 AM   #22 (permalink)
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You're not even trying to be diplomatic.

You drag politics into everything for reasons I cannot comprehend. I hate to break it to you, but the people here simply don't want to hear it. Very rarely do I bring up politics because this is a forum about antennas and digital TV discussion. Politics has almost nothing to do with it. In the rare case that it does, there are far less inflammatory terms you can use.

You complain above about the "New Left" making everything political, but the only person I've observed to drag politics into an antenna discussion here is you. Which is to say instead of trying to be better than you perceive them to be, you're using the "well they're doing it so I can too" argument to justify dragging it into a place where nobody else is doing so.

No one's trying to run you off. They're just sick and tired of hearing they're "Marxists" or whatever uncalled for term you come up with every time they disagree with you. Or even hearing it for no particular reason.

I don't really know what else to tell you.

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Old 10-18-2009, 10:52 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Diplomatic?

Good Lord!

It wasnt me that created this climate and attacked other posters, impugning their motives and questioning their impartialitiy. Then throwing down a me or them gauntlet.

If you check my posts, I rarely mention politics. But that really isnt the point, is it?

If you look at Piggie's, Im leaving thread....you will see that it is he who cant put up with the occassional political opinion, however he can shove his political opinions as regards antenna manufacturers down everyone's throat, by getting all huffy, when someone doesnt toe his political line that Winegard and AntennaCraft are the only companies that should have their products recommended here.

To the point where we are now.

Intolerance of others viewpoints destroys the objectivity of this site. Not fully disclosed associations with companies or products.

I never attacked Piggie for his bias towards those companies. His biases are fairly well known, though newcomers may not know them. But opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one. The objectivity of the site is degraded when opinions that differ from the Super Moderator arent tolerated. As we can see unfolding right now. Piggie's bias with regard to Winegard and AntennaCraft is political....and has nothing to do with the objective merits of particular products as regards succssful prescriptions for people seeking helps needs....but rather where they are manufacturered.

As I said, Im fine with that. Its not me that has the problem. I didnt start a thread attacking other posters and questioning their motives or how their political opinions or business/financial affiliations affect their objectivity.

Check my last 100 posts and you will see little to no negativity and I have recommended my antenna 1 or 2 times.

The whole thing is a farce.

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Old 10-19-2009, 01:50 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Escape, Trip is absolutely correct. You've brought politics up in just about every post of yours that I've read. That is not the case with Piggie, or with anyone else. Now you've said you're going to go, but it sure likes like you're still here, so it's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. It's a shame that you can't be more tolerant of other views and that you can't respect the boundaries of this forum. This was a fun place, a hopping place during the DTV transition. Now it's just a place where people argue, and that's a tragedy.
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Got the message Orryman. Sorry Ive lingered. I put the new websites off for a minute. I get back on them.

Sorry, I have been such a downer for everyone here. Of course I dont see it the same way, but as I said, this isnt a legal proceeding.

ASAP, Ill be a ghost around here.
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This is the facade the US lives in now. That economics is political. Well it is if you consider both parties are totally controlled by the same corporations and people.

The Chinamerica economic coalition is not sustainable. The vendor can't keep lending the customer money to buy more of the vendors goods even if the vendor devalues their dollars to keep the game going as long as possible. China's economy is recovery faster than ours. Ours is still headed toward a second worse recession in the next year or two.

So heck yeah, I am prejudice to anything we can still buy from the west (not just the US).

The facade is both sides are playing the music the masses want to hear while giving the action to a select few that fund the system.

Anyone that believes listening to Glen Beck or Barack Obama will lead them down a rosy path needs to look at the facts. Neither of them are interested in a better American for those that make under 100 million a year.

By the time the music really stops playing it's going to be way too late, regardless which side of the politic side show you think is correct.
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This is the facade the US lives in now. That economics is political. Well it is if you consider both parties are totally controlled by the same corporations and people.

The Chinamerica economic coalition is not sustainable. The vendor can't keep lending the customer money to buy more of the vendors goods even if the vendor devalues their dollars to keep the game going as long as possible. China's economy is recovery faster than ours. Ours is still headed toward a second worse recession in the next year or two.

So heck yeah, I am prejudice to anything we can still buy from the west (not just the US).

The facade is both sides are playing the music the masses want to hear while giving the action to a select few that fund the system.

Anyone that believes listening to Glen Beck or Barack Obama will lead them down a rosy path needs to look at the facts. Neither of them are interested in a better American for those that make under 100 million a year.

By the time the music really stops playing it's going to be way too late, regardless which side of the politic side show you think is correct.

I learned my lesson about being political on the AVS forum, and that is why I started posting on here. I am not interested in political arguments, and to disregard the Clear Stream antennas just because you do not agree with their production methods that a vast majority of American Companies also employ is not fair to all of the Newbies who come her for help from the "Experts".

I don't agree with the direction this country is headed in myself, as I work for a living, and I do not approve of the "Spread the Wealth, even if you did not earn it" attitude of the current administration. I view myself as "Conservative" too, but this forum can benefit from the well designed Clear Stream antennas that I have personally proven to myself without a doubt that they work in very difficult reception areas, and they have been the difference between no reception and great reception for quite a few viewers in my area.

In case you did not know, the NAB (National Association of Broadcasters) actually endorses the Clear Stream antennas themselves and helped fund their development. I am not aware of all of the details, but the NAB is the voice of virtually all American TV broadcasters in this country with the FCC and Congress. When the NAB speaks, Broadcasters and politicians alike listen to what they have to say.

They are only interested in supporting Broadcasters and saving OTA broadcasting from emerging and threatening technologies that want to take the DTV spectrum for themselves, since OTA broadcasters "Do not have to pay for their spectrum" like Cell phone and broad banders do. On the other hand, they pay a small pittance for a limited public resource for obscene private profits, so who is actually the bad guy here since they provide no "Public Service" except for 911 emergency capability, but they did not do that on their own, they were forced to do so by the FED.

Once the DTV spectrum is given away to other technologies for private profit, what happens to those who cannot afford Broadband service, or in some cases cannot even afford a computer. Do we make second class citizens out of them because of their financial condition. and leave them behind when an emergency arises such a 9,11,2001? Leave the politics for the political blogs, of which there must be thousands of on the internet right now, and I am sure you can find one that parallels your political view points with ease.

The Clear Stream Antennas are innovative, and can they help people solve reception problems in many cases which I have proven to myself beyond a shadow of a doubt. END OF MY POLITICAL OPINIONS ON THIS FORUM !!
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@FoxTV - Thanks for your note on the usefulness of the Clearstream antennas for solving reception problems. I do however want to clear up a few misconceptions in your post above.

1. The NAB did NOT fund development of any aspect of any of the current Clearstream antennas. The entire effort was funded internally by Antennas Direct.

2. The NAB did provide funding to Antennas Direct to develop of a reference design for an indoor smart antenna based on the CEA909A standard. This antenna is not available as a commercial product at this time due to market issues that are beyond the control of Antennas Direct and NAB.

3. While I know for a fact that there are individuals within NAB that use and like the Clearstream antennas, to the best of my knowledge the NAB organisation has NOT issued any public endorsement of the Clearstream antennas.

Again, I appreciate your posts validating the Clearstream antennas in your market, and I look forward to future interactions on technical topics discussing antennas and solving reception issues.

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