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Old 10-02-2009, 09:35 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I already talked about this, but in case people need more convincing:

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Web TV could come with a price tag after Comcast-NBC

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Free TV shows on the Internet could be harder to find if Comcast Corp succeeds in acquiring a majority stake in NBC Universal.

Comcast would become a partner in Hulu the video website which allows viewers to watch TV shows on the Web for free, a business potentially worth billions of dollars if consumers had to pay to watch the shows.

The video website is jointly owned by NBC Universal, News Corp and Walt Disney Co. Hulu is the most popular site in the United States for watching TV shows, according to comScore.

Comcast is in talks with General Electric Co, to buy 51 percent of NBC Universal, which would allow the cable operator to combine its cable assets with NBC's cable networks, movie studio and theme parks, according to people familiar with the talks.

Cable operators have downplayed investor fears that customers will drop cable for free TV on the Web. But privately they've warned TV networks they may stop paying affiliate fees if free TV shows keep cropping up on the Web.

Hulu had nearly 40 million unique viewers in August, web measurement company comScore said. That is more than Comcast's 24 million paying subscribers, which account for about $5 billion a quarter in revenue.

"We suspect Comcast believes it needs content to protect its landline distribution platform," Richard Greenfield, analyst at Pali Research, wrote in a note to investors on Friday. "It wants to mitigate the risk of becoming that scary 'dumb' pipe."

Comcast, the largest U.S. cable operator, has approached the Web's free TV threat by getting behind a service called TV Everywhere with Time Warner Inc. The idea behind TV Everywhere is to allow consumers to watch shows on the web -- so long as they are paying cable subscribers.

"This deal (Comcast-NBC) has major implications on the success of TV Everywhere," said Thomas Eagan, an analyst at Collins Stewart. "Comcast may decide to change Hulu to some degree to facilitate a premium Hulu service much faster."

Comcast has even tried to match Hulu with its own free TV website, Fancast. But while Hulu has come from nowhere to become the sixth most visited video site in the U.S. in just 18 months, Fancast hasn't even cracked the Top 10.

"Hulu was started by NBC and Fox so they could compete with Comcast. So this is a defensive move to some extent by Comcast," said Kaufman Bros. analyst Todd Mitchell. "Hulu will just become another choice of Comcast's pay-TV buffet."

If Comcast has a stake in Hulu's future, as Mitchell suggests, it effectively reduces competition to the cable sector.

Since web video is still a fledgling sector, however, it is unlikely to raise the hackles of U.S. regulators, said analysts.

Indeed, the Federal Communications Commission is likely to focus on other concerns if General Electric Co, which controls NBC Universal, decides to sell a 51 percent stake to Comcast, as sources have said the two sides are talking about.

Namely, the FCC may be concerned about combining NBC Universal's national broadcast network, NBC, and its huge range of cable networks, like Bravo and USA, with the largest cable operator in the country.

Paul Gallant, a telecom regulation analyst with Washington-based Concept Capital, said the deal would likely be approved by antitrust regulators and the FCC.

"The primary reason is that the two companies do not have a great deal of product overlap, and thus the competitive concerns appear to be fairly limited," Gallant said.

Gallant said the FCC already has program access rules that ensure that cable operators who own programing sell it to competitors at reasonable rates.

TV operators such as DirecTV Group, DISH Network, Verizon, AT&T may ask the FCC for a more effective enforcement process.

"Should the FCC pursue this angle, it could potentially hinder Comcast from realizing the full value of NBCU's programing," Gallant said.

(Additional reporting by John Poirier in Washington)

(Reporting by Yinka Adegoke; editing by Carol Bishopric)
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On a related topic, why is it that with 'on demand' TV series, NBC charges for their shows? I find that to be ridiculous. CBS doesn't charge and neither do the other networks who offer the 'on demand', which no all do. It seems stupid to me, especially since they offer those shows on Hulu and Fancast.
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That's totally non-sequitur. That's still vertical integration.

With respect, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about with regard to the anti-trust issues.
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Blaming the consumers for being immature is ludicrous.
No, it isn't. Consumers just don't like the idea of having to take responsibility onto themselves. That's exactly the point I was making: Consumers unwillingness to accept that the world is round, not a half-sphere.

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In my lifetime I have seen many companies not have nearly instant disdain from customers as I have seen in the last 15 years.
Shaped by the fact that in my lifetime I have seen many consumers not have nearly the instant self-centered myopia and entitlement mentality as I have seen in the last 25 years.

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So yes there is more outrage, but I don't see it as maturity issue just because people have had enough of mergers, outsourcing, job loss, cost of living decreases in their salary, all justified by complying with government regulations. I think people are getting really sick of it.
If people were maturely "getting really sick of it" they'd be willing to take the bad aspects of the changes they'd like to see along with the good. They are not. See above, where I discussed having their cake and eating it too.

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On a related topic, why is it that with 'on demand' TV series, NBC charges for their shows?
So which is it? Is it NBC or Comcast that is going to make things cost money?

Regardless, Hulu is on track to start charging for its content eventually no matter what. To suggest that Comcast has any role in that, beyond, as the article suggested, the timing (how soon it will happen) is nothing but clueless naivete.
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On a related topic, why is it that with 'on demand' TV series, NBC charges for their shows? I find that to be ridiculous. CBS doesn't charge and neither do the other networks who offer the 'on demand', which no all do. It seems stupid to me, especially since they offer those shows on Hulu and Fancast.
NBC doesn't charge a dime to watch it's shows on demand on their website. Where are you being charged?
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(At least in my market), Comcast charges for NBC shows on-demand. OTOH, CBS shows on-demand are free. Interestingly, NBC apparently charges 99 cents for both 30 and 60 minute shows. CBS has about 3x as many shows available OD. I'm not sure what NBC hopes to accomplish by charging... if I have a choice of recording one or the other on the dvr and then watching the left over OD, I will make certain that I plan it so that I record the NBC show and watch the CBS one OD!
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(At least in my market), Comcast charges for NBC shows on-demand. OTOH, CBS shows on-demand are free. Interestingly, NBC apparently charges 99 cents for both 30 and 60 minute shows. CBS has about 3x as many shows available OD. I'm not sure what NBC hopes to accomplish by charging... if I have a choice of recording one or the other on the dvr and then watching the left over OD, I will make certain that I plan it so that I record the NBC show and watch the CBS one OD!
I can't speak to On Demand via a cable company. Here in NY, no cable company that I know of carries broadcast network shows on demand. Interesting that your cable company is Comcast, however. I am speaking of shows on demand online, as that is the overwhelming way that people access network shows on demand. And it's free.

When you pay for an NBC show on demand on your cable system, does it have commercials? What about a CBS show?
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I'm talking about on demand on TV. This is NBC charging a fee. It makes no sense to me why they are doing it. They didn't use to. It's only been in the last year. CBS and all other networks that offer on demand do not charge.

I prefer watching on TV. Watching on my computer is a pain. It's a small screen and I can't do anything else while watching. I highly prefer watching on my TV to watching on the computer.

I'm sure Hulu will start charging eventually. That's what sites like that do. They reel you in and then get what they can. PayPal did that. A lot of sites do. I hope that as a Comcast member that Fancast will always be free. They have essentially the same shows, though not exactly the same.
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No ads on the cbs on-demand on Comcast; at least I haven't encountered any on the shows I've watched. The one hour shows run 40-some minutes. I don't know about the NBC shows because I haven't watched any of them.... and likely won't if they continue to charge.
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