Mockingbird

EscapeVelocity

A fascinating subject.

Manipulating kids via the TV. Indoctrinating kids. One thing that is interesting about PBS kids programming is that its a kaleidescope of Leftwing indoctrination. Multiculturalism stands out in particular, but environutterism is also prevalent, global fearmongering is all the rage.

One thing that struck me, was that a less than one year, quieted down and was smiling at the Teletubbies. This is ultra slick psycology informed programming.....and its a darn shame that somebody isnt watching the Leftwingers at PBS and their evil plan for the destruction of Western Civilization.....one indoctrinated kid at a time.

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@Mockingbird: I think your distance from your own time as a toddler perhaps has colored your perceptions of how appropriate or inappropriate something like Dora the Explorer is. It is actually a superlatively appropriate program for the children it is aimed at. It doesn't represent any lower level of intellectual challenge and capability than the programming provided for my wife and I to watched, when we were that age, about a half-century ago.

In some ways, actually, Dora the Explorer is a bit more advanced -- it fosters bilingualism, which is an intellectual challenge that no one would have ever considered presenting to children at that age, back when we were growing up.

@EV: I suspect even the stanchest right-wingers have enough shame to recognize how vacuous opposition to multi-culturalism is. I think it is fantastic that we're now working to help children think positively about living peacefully with others who may be different, rather than fostering within children volumes of hate, the kind of hate I remember seeing in vivid black-and-blue when I was growing up in a more primitive, more despicably hostile and proprietary America.

I also think very few right-wingers are shameless enough to extol the virtues of polluting. The worst offenders have always been businesses, of course, and people here know I'm a big supporter of business, but I would never think to decry protecting the environment. That kind of polluting selfishness has been shown for what it is, and so it is the mainstream who oppose it; it is not at all a "left" perspective.

DTVuser2009

I don't know, Dora the Explorer has to me the same teaching skills one would use on a Parrot. repetition so often and no random diversions from such repetition makes kids taught on the same scale as teaching a parrot to talk. before too long kids will only learn by what's dancing around in their heads, like a bad commercial jingle, and not knowing the true lesson behind it. just the jingle. like Schoolhouse Rock, one cannot learn on repetition or song alone. otherwise Schoolhouse Rock would be viable teaching in schools, but it's not.

Sid the Science Kid is a lot like Dora, but does take the common diversion from the repetition enough that kids still learn normally and go out and explore themselves. i don't see Dora doing that.

Maya and Miguel teaches multi-lingualism more than Dora, in fact they teach sentences, which Dora can only teach words at a time. like the word for gate or river. and teaches the lessons of getting along with other people of other races or even injuries (like missing limbs) far better and even Dora doesn't go there. and it doesn't have that repetitious word-for-word over and over again teaching style.

But there are worse shows that concern me and i hope others more. take Disney's The wiggles sorry but a bunch of guys and a dancing 'worm' (i think it's something else i cannot say on the forums) is just ick. i don't know if i can say much there, but take about 10 minutes with the show and you will see what i mean.

But then again, a similar show was on in the 1960s, in fact two. H.R. Puff n stuf, and of course, the One-eyed one horned flying purple people eater.

seems we're mimicing the 1960's odd side.

Even Reruns of Square one TV and The Electric Company were far more educational in their time. and still entertaining but not too much of either one. a balance.

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Mockingbird

@Bicker I am not that old, and I have my own children. When my son was young I was very selective what if anything he watched on TV, and I can assure you he would not have watched Dora, the wiggles or half the garbage they have on now. Learning happens when children are challanged, I saw nothing of a learning value on that show. There seems to be a tendency to attempt to lable things as age appropriate, but says who? Reminds me of when my son was in the book reading stage and his teacher said that "Goosebumps" was a better choice then a classic. I bought the kid the classic and he did fine.

Left/right arguement aside isn't it still all about what happens in your home and via your parenting?

EXACTLY I pity the poor kids plopped infront of the TV sitter. DOOMED.

There was a time when parents cared what things were on TV , especially what kids saw, they would boycott advertisers that supported inappropriate or violent programing. Well evidently stupid programming don't matter. Thank god theres an off switch

Trip

After reading the "PBS Kids is biased" nonsense, I got to talking in an instant message with a friend about what a "right wing" Sesame Street would look like.

I don't want to stir the pot though, so I won't repeat it here. It was quite offensive.

- Trip

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DTVuser2009

Does that mean Elmo all the time (he already takes up 65% of the show's one-hour airing now) or not? i'm not into all the definitions of left wing this and right wing that; thank goodness i'm not into politics.

Anyone remember the Barney Controversy? i am still surprised they're still making NEW Episodes of that show. i don't know what i dislike most. repetitious programming for kids or odd and gay-ish programming for kids. i'm myself still trying to delete the mental burning of Rainbow Brite out of my head; my sister would scream and cry until i sat through it. there's not one worse show IMO than Rainbow Brite and Strawberry Shortcake!!! the 1980s weren't all happy times either.

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Also i will say that the marketing for Dora the Explorer has gone too far. i mean you cannot even walk into a pharmacy without seeing her annoying face and monkey on pill bottles either. heck she's even on underwear!!!! AHHH! make it stop!

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I suspect even the stanchest right-wingers have enough shame to recognize how vacuous opposition to multi-culturalism is. -- bicker

We should start a thread on Multi-culturalism as both you and Trip look like you could use a good discussion on it. I suspect that you are ideologically driven and Trip has just been brainwashed by PBS shows and media and the education system.

I think that the Multi-culturalism topic is one that doesnt get the airing that for instance that even Global Warming skepticism does.

Its a good topic for exploration. Then we can tie it back into the kids programming on PBS....and how that programming is just a larger part of the Leftwing agenda propaganda machine.

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You gather that info from the following post?



You come off as biased EV because all you want to do is place labels on people and reject their opinions if their thoughts and ideals differ from yours. Lets discuss, not accuse.