PBS have a liberal agenda? - Page 2

bicker · 07-03-2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 1inxs

liberal does not equal compassionate

Nor does Utah. Even the links you posted talked this in qualified terms ("most") rather than absolute terms ("equals"). In reality, generalizations are generally general.

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Throughout history the Government has shown their lack of self control.

Which has nothing to do with what you were replying to.

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You can't have it both ways.

It isn't a matter of having anything "both ways". Rather it is a matter of being fiscally conservative while being socially liberal. You can have that; I know because I do.

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Conservatives believe in taking care of their own, not the Government.

Fiscal conservatives believe that, while fiscal liberals perhaps don't, but "taking care of their own" is not specific to either conservatives or liberals with regard to social issues. Perhaps the biggest transgression that the Republican Party commits in regard to the "taking care of their own" is their attempts to change the laws putting government in the position of imposing its view on the personal concerns of everyone, such as with regard to who you can marry, when life begins, etc. In essence, you can say that the Republican Party is fiscally conservative but not socially conservative -- instead, in many ways, the Republican Party is socially reactionary, bordering on repressive, and/or intolerant.

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This sounds like the many of your other posts on the internet. When you feel uncomfortable with another's opinion you politely ask them to refrain from giving one.

When someone posts something showing how little they know me, yes, I do correct them and advise them that they're better off not making such ridiculous pronouncements.

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You ask how I would feel. I wouldn't feel, I would realize you didn't know me

Me too. I'm glad we are able to agree on something.

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I think you have mistaken. I never mentioned Republicans. I was speaking of Conservatives.

"Conservatives" does not represent any identifiable group of people. As we've seen, we both are conservatives, even though we disagree with each other. I think you're wrong, and you think I'm wrong. You can choose to interpret the words in the links you provided in the manner that supports your perspective, while I can choose to interpret them in the manner that supports my perspective. (I'm still right, and you're still wrong, but that doesn't matter.)

So hiding behind a denial that you were talking about the Republicans only serves to obfuscate the situation. You're essentially saying nothing about anything, as a result.

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What did you pull these numbers out of?

RHouseParty - View Single Post - Internal GOP Memo Attacks Bush Handling of Economy

You're welcome to present data that supports your contention. I'll think you're wrong, and you'll think I'm wrong. (I'm still right, and you're still wrong, but that doesn't matter.)

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And now you resort to correcting my grammar. Very mature

Calm down. I didn't correct your grammar. I pointed out that I put the word "wrong" in quotes, indicating something other than what you chose to interpret my words as meaning. Again, you can always choose to interpret anything, even that which someone else posts, any way you want -- but that doesn't make doing so any less wrong.

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Utah ranks #2 in the USA for it's conservative values.

As you choose to define "conservative".

1inxs · 07-03-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bicker

You're welcome to present data that supports your contention. I'll think you're wrong, and you'll think I'm wrong. (I'm still right, and you're still wrong, but that doesn't matter.)

hehehe! Maybe you forgot to click on the link? I included the Gallup poll results, not my post from another forum

(you got to love these smilies)
?Conservatives? Are Single-Largest Ideological Group

I don't think you're wrong, I know. Some will find a way to spin facts to accommodate their point of view. But in reality there are no hanging chads in facts. Just like the good old USA, we are on opposite sides of the thought process.

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It is my opinion, and clearly not one you are in a position to refute with facts.

Republican VS Democrat scandals
I did a Google of political scandals for the year 2004. Google displays 716,000 search options for Republican scandals in 2004.
republican scandals 2004 - Google Search

It shows 4,940,000 search options for the Democrat scandals of 2004.
democrat scandals 2004 - Google Search

I did the search for Republican scandals for year 2006 and Google displays 1,460,000 search options
democrat scandals 2004 - Google Search

It displays 12,800,000 search options for the Democrats
democrat scandals 2006 - Google Search
Spin away

What can happen when someone watches too much network news or Government supported PBS news?

1inxs · 07-03-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron62

Whatever came of this 2005

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The man alleging the bias is Kenneth Y. Tomlinson, a Republican who heads the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. CPB provides federal funding to public broadcasters including the Public Broadcasting Service, which receives about 15 percent of its operating budget, or $48.5 million, from the corporation.

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PBS has denied the charges of a liberal slant. But following the criticism, it moved this month to hire an ombudsman to review its programs and announced a revision of its editorial practices. Among them: a requirement that commentary and opinion be labeled as such.

story?

FOXNews.com - PBS Targeted for Perceived Political Agenda - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

I don't believe you will see anything become of this. Since 2005, reports of the Fairness Doctrine have been on an increase. With the current political landscape it is unlikely liberal bias is going to be dealt any kind of blow. The current political view is there aren't enough liberal stations broadcasting their opinions.

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Some Democratic legislators have expressed interest in reinstituting the Fairness Doctrine, although no one has introduced legislation to do so since 2005.

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On October 22, 2008, Senator Jeff Bingaman (Democrat of New Mexico) told a conservative talk radio host in Albuquerque, New Mexico:
I would want this station and all stations to have to present a balanced perspective and different points of view. All I’m saying is that for many, many years we operated under a Fairness Doctrine in this country, and I think the country was well-served. I think the public discussion was at a higher level and more intelligent in those days than it has become since.

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The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows, or editorials. The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented.

Fairness Doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aaron62 · 07-03-2009, 02:39 PM

Boy did I miss out on the conversation! I think you're right 1inxs, haven't found anything about Congress looking into further matters of "liberal slant" with PBS.

EscapeVelocity · 07-12-2009, 06:01 PM

Bill Moyers has a liberal agenda.

PBS programming skews Left, especially with its kids programming.

Its science also skews Left, because of its promoting Global Fearmongering and Darwinism especially.

Its political shows are pretty balanced when taken all together.

1inxs · 07-12-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity

Bill Moyers has a liberal agenda.

PBS programming skews Left, especially with its kids programming.

Its science also skews Left, because of its promoting Global Fearmongering and Darwinism especially.

Its political shows are pretty balanced when taken all together.

I'm with you 75%, maybe 80%. We pretty much have to take the news with a grain of salt to get the whole picture. Then like you say, it will balance out.

EscapeVelocity · 07-12-2009, 06:16 PM

The Newshour is pretty balanced.

The PBS organization no doubt also has a Leftwing bias.

bicker · 07-13-2009, 01:53 AM

Perhaps this is really just a bias on the part of right-wingers against scientific knowledge:

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An overwhelming majority of scientists say they have heard a lot (55%) or a little (30%) about claims that the Bush administration did not allow government scientists to report findings that contradicted administration policy. By contrast, just 10% of the public heard a lot about the claims and 34% heard a little; most say they have heard nothing at all about it.

About three-quarters of scientists (77%) believe the claims about the Bush administration are true, while just 6% say they are false. And virtually all of the scientists who say these claims are true – 71% of scientists overall – believe that these practices occurred more often during the Bush administration than during previous administrations.

Among the public, most of those who heard about the claims about the Bush administration and science say they are true, but this constitutes a relatively small proportion of the public overall (28%). And just 17% of the public says that, compared with previous administrations, the Bush administration more often prevented government scientists from reporting research findings that conflicted with the administration’s point of view.

Public Praises Science; Scientists Fault Public, Media: Section 4: Scientists, Politics and Religion - Pew Research Center for the People & the Press

1inxs · 07-13-2009, 05:02 AM

Wow! Sounds like double talk if I ever heard it. How does this relate to PBS reporting?

CptlA · 07-13-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 1inxs

Wow! Sounds like double talk if I ever heard it. How does this relate to PBS reporting?

because extreme right wingers sometimes have a habit of rejecting anything scientific if it's negative against religion or anything that doesn't further their cause. PBS news and some PBS shows aim to provide information based on scientific fact as opposed to some of the Fox news crap.


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