Are shoppers going to be confused by ATSC and ATSC-M/H devices?

Aaron62

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#1
Here me out. Shopper A walks into store. Shopper A wants a mobile TV but doesn't take the time to research the difference between mobile TV A-1 w/ ATSC tuner and mobile TV B-1 w/ ATSC-M/H tuner. Shoper A buys mobile TV A-1 w/ ATSC tuner and is disappointed because he can't receive signals while traveling.

I think manufactures are going to have to do a good job labeling their ATSC-M/H to differentiate themselves from ATSC units. Just my humble opinion.
 

NYCLA*

DTVUSA Member
#2
Here me out. Shopper A walks into store. Shopper A wants a mobile TV but doesn't take the time to research the difference between mobile TV A-1 w/ ATSC tuner and mobile TV B-1 w/ ATSC-M/H tuner. Shoper A buys mobile TV A-1 w/ ATSC tuner and is disappointed because he can't receive signals while traveling.

I think manufactures are going to have to do a good job labeling their ATSC-M/H to differentiate themselves from ATSC units. Just my humble opinion.
Okay so let me get this straight: Mobile TV's with ATSC tuners only get reception when stationary, but Mobile TV's with ATSC-M/H tuners, can get reception while moving, like when traveling in a car. Is that correct?
 

Aaron62

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#3
Okay so let me get this straight: Mobile TV's with ATSC tuners only get reception when stationary, but Mobile TV's with ATSC-M/H tuners, can get reception while moving, like when traveling in a car. Is that correct?
Correct. I think ATSC tuners can receive dtv signals while moving up to 5 MPH, but become stable anything over that. ATSC-M/H is a true mobile alternative.
 

Jim1348

DTVUSA Member
#5
Are shoppers going to be confused by ATSC & ATSC-M/H devices?

I am pretty sure you are right, that they are indeed going to be confused by this. I think it will be similar to many other electronic devices that cause confusion. In fact, others have noticed that mainstream TV manufacturers have not come out with a very small portable TV yet. All due respect to the companies that have come out with them, but from my perspective Haier, and others, are not big names compared to Samsung, Panasonic, etc. Early adopters usually pay the price. I know when I first bought wifi for my home I thought it was nice using the 802.11b standard. Sure enough, they roll out 802.11g, etc. later on.

I know I would like to have either a DVD player, that is also receives over the air TV, or a small netbook/notebook computer with TV reception, but I am holding off until the "Mobile DTV" is available. It is disappoining that it isn't available yet, but my lifestyle is such that I want actual mobile reception again. I say again because I have an Auto Talk converter in my pickup truck that receives TV audio from NTSC stations. I would expect that at some point in the future we will have something like this again for ATSC audio. Granted, ATSC has to decode the whole thing unlike NTSC, but like all things electronic the price will come down eventually. I saw the Haier 7" portable TV for $99 in the Target flier this morning. They do have the disclaimer in the ad that you must be stationary to receive signals. In a few months they will have sold a bunch of these, then they will clearance them out when the "new improved" model is available. It will be hyped as true Mobile TV that works while in motion. They will, of course, have the obligatory disclaimer that it is not to be viewed by the driver while the vehicle is in motion.
 

Aaron62

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#6
I am pretty sure you are right, that they are indeed going to be confused by this. I think it will be similar to many other electronic devices that cause confusion. In fact, others have noticed that mainstream TV manufacturers have not come out with a very small portable TV yet. All due respect to the companies that have come out with them, but from my perspective Haier, and others, are not big names compared to Samsung, Panasonic, etc. Early adopters usually pay the price.
Agreed, and I think part of the problem lies in making a quality unit that WILL receive dtv signals. I've been looking at the Haier as a possibility for me here in LA, but I would never consider it if I were not in a top 10 market. These little TVs w/ ATSC tuners have such small antennas and need perfect conditions to work. I can't remember, but I think the Haier does have an optional input for external antenna though. I'm now sure if this is part of the reason why Sony has not come out with a handheld yet, maybe they will only focus only on ATSC-M/H tuner TVs?
 

CptlA

DTVUSA Member
#7
Here me out. Shopper A walks into store. Shopper A wants a mobile TV but doesn't take the time to research the difference between mobile TV A-1 w/ ATSC tuner and mobile TV B-1 w/ ATSC-M/H tuner. Shoper A buys mobile TV A-1 w/ ATSC tuner and is disappointed because he can't receive signals while traveling.

I think manufactures are going to have to do a good job labeling their ATSC-M/H to differentiate themselves from ATSC units. Just my humble opinion.
Here's some evidence to support your theory Aaron62. The title of this USB device is somewhat misleading. No ATSC-M/H tuner.

Opentip.com: OnAir GT Mobile DTV Receiver & DVR for PC

OnAir GT Mobile DTV Receiver & DVR for PC

Product Description

The OnAir GT is a digital television receiver and DVR for PC. Simply connect to the USB port of your laptop or desktop to receive and record television broadcasts when connected to an indoor/outdoor antenna or cable TV outlet (cable subscription required for cable viewing). No additional fees or internet connection required. Turn your laptop into a portable digital/analog television and DVR.
The OnAir GT is compact, roughly the size of a PDA, is USB-powered, requiring no external power supply, and is ideal for those who travel frequently or live in tight quarters. Watch, pause and record high definition television at home, on the road, in the airport, dorm room, studio apartment, RV, campsite, or office.

Connect a Camcorder or VCR to the A/V Input cable to view and capture memories into a digital format for archiving or sharing with loved ones. The GT also provides console gamers the option to play and record their favorite video games onthe-go, right on their PC.

Included with the Driver and HDTV Program is the industry leading nVidia PureVideo decoder, which provides a stunning HD picture and immerses you with Dolby Digital? 5.1 audio.

HDTV (ATSC) / Analog TV (NTSC) / QAM Digital Cable Features

Supports HDTV resolutions up to 1920 x 1080 (ATSC)
Watch Digital (ATSC), Analog (NTSC) (Even if you are in an area where digital cable broadcasting is unavailable, you can still watch analog TV over-the-air (captured by antenna) and cable TV analog broadcasts.), or Digital Cable (unencrypted QAM) TV (The tuner processes unencrypted high resolution signals in both QAM64 and QAM 256.)
The 5th-generation LG Electronics tuner/demodulator offers unsurpassed metro and fringe area reception (The fifth generation VSB chip manufactured by LG has enhanced features that improve reception of digital TV signals even in fringe areas. It supports Terrestrial Digital TV (VSB: Vestigial Side Band) and Digital Cable TV (QAM: Quadrature Amplitude Modulation)) with virtually no multi-path problems.
Playback Features

Pause Live TV and Timeshift (Pause TV at your convenience, and press Play when you want to continue) using DVR features (Digital TV)
Playback HD stream files (ATSC) (Playback previously recorded material in original quality)
Select from six speeds for fast forwarding or rewinding through recorded files
Recording Features

Schedule to record (The Scheduled Recording function allows you to record your favorite shows in your absence. It is possible to set up a schedule to record programs on a daily, weekly, or special occasion basis. If the computer is in Standby or Hibernate, the computer will be automatically powered on to run your scheduled item.) up to 80 programs
Real-time (The instant record button allows you to save Over-The-Air (OTA) or Cable broadcasts to your hard disk in their native resolution for playback at a later time.) or Scheduled Recording on Digital / Analog TV
Still image capture (While watching TV, it is possible to capture and save your favorite scene easily in either BMP or JPEG format.) on Digital and Analog TV (JPEG or BMP format)
Time-shift support(Have you ever had to stop watching TV briefly to answer the phone, go to the door, or for other reasons? When enabled, simply click the Pause button, and the Timeshift function will automatically record up to 120 minutes of any TV program you are watching. Return within 120 minutes, and you can click Play to resume watching your show, without missing any program content.) (Digital TV)
Record while in time-shifting mode (Have you ever wished you could go back and record a great scene? Now you can! If timeshifting mode is enabled, simply rewind to the beginning of the scene and click the Record button.) (Digital TV)
Recording during playback (While playing back a file, clicking Record will save a clip to a separate file.) (allows editing / saving of previously recorded material)
D-VHS (You can use your D-VHS device to record Digital programming from the OnAir HDTV Program. You can also playback (and record) clips from your D-VHS device to your PC's hard drive.) HD Stream playback and recording (Windows XP only)
Connect your VCR or Camcorder (Simply connect your Camcorder, VCR, or gaming system to the Composite or S-Video input. Click the Record button to save it as an MPEG-2 file on your computer. You can use various 3rd party utilities to then burn this .MPG file to CD or DVD) to record your favorite tapes to PC
Connect your favorite gaming console to play and record games on your PC (Connect your favorite video game console to the tuner and use your PC monitor to play your game. Also, record your favorite game sessions so you can play them back for your friends. (Supports up to 720x480))
Audio and Video Features

Dolby Digital® 5.1 (Equipped with the most up-to-date HDTV decoding engine, you can experience 5.1 output if your sound card supports it. In addition, with an SPDIF port, you can pass the audio to an external sound system.) Channel support (Digital TV)
AC3 / AAC audio decoding
Stereo and multiplex sound support
SPDIF Output for Digital TV through an AAC compatible sound card (not included)
User-Friendly Features

GT easily fits into pocket, backpack or laptop case
USB Powered for maximum mobility
Remote control (The full featured remote control allows you to control the functions of the TV program from a distance. You can also set it up to control your other PC programs.)
Digital Signal Strength Display makes antenna pointing easy
Electronic Programming Guide (Electronic Program Guide data is received from Digital TV (OTA) broadcasts. For other sources, our program is compatible with TitanTV's website.) (EPG) (OTA Digital TV)
Sleep timer
Zoom Navigator (You can zoom in on a certain area of the screen while watching TV. The picture can be zoomed from the default (100%) to a maximum of five times of the current TV view (500%).) to select and enlarge the TV picture
Titan TV integration
Digital and Analog Closed Caption support
Wallpaper TV View (live video or captured images as your desktop background)
 
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