Dish Network - DirecTV Merger

Jason Fritz

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Staff member
#1
U.S. satellite-TV provider Dish Network Corp is weighing another attempt to merge with rival DirecTV Group Inc, The Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday.
I'm just an armchair economist, but this if this deal were to go through, I'd hate to think what this would do to existing customers of both satellite providers.

Competition is always a good thing, and with the limited availability of other satellite tv companies to choose from for the consumer, this would create somewhat of monopoly.

What do you guys think?

More information about the possible merger at: Dish Network again weighs DirecTV deal: report | Entertainment | Industry | Reuters
 

camogirl

DTVUSA Jr. Member
#2
OMG! You are KIDDING me RIGHT? I can't imagine what will happen if they do this. I personally don't have either anymore however a lot of my family only have those two choices. I can only imagine what they will do to their prices and such! I don't think this would be a good thing for the consumers at all!
 

djs

DTVUSA Member
#3
I agree, competition is always good especially when satellite is my only choice for getting reception. Are there any other satellite co's out there. I have heard of Hugh's Net but only for broadband internet service.
 

MyBud

DTVUSA Jr. Member
#5
Last Straw

I've had a BUD (big ugly dish) for most of my adult life and in fact still watch the 4 channels left broadcasting in analog. I never had decent reception from an antenna and the whole DTV thing is even worse so I've been trying to make a decison about which direction to go; DishNet, Direct, get a mega rooftop antenna, stop watching TV (not a chance in you know where!). This pretty much decides it for me. I'm going to spend my money on upgrading to a 4DTV receiver and tune up my big dish. The programming providers and options are much better and a LOT cheaper. It seems the primary shortcoming of 4DTV offerings is the lack of some sports channels, which doesn't hinder me in the least. I've talked to a lot of people who switched to dinky-dish and they aren't as happy with the quality and stability of the picture but switched either because they could get the dinky-dish free (ain't no free lunches folks, read the fine print) or 4DTV didn't offer a specific channel they wanted. Anybody out there have a 4DTV receiver (DSR922)they'd like to part with?
 

Aaron62

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#6
I've had a BUD (big ugly dish) for most of my adult life and in fact still watch the 4 channels left broadcasting in analog. I never had decent reception from an antenna and the whole DTV thing is even worse so I've been trying to make a decison about which direction to go; DishNet, Direct, get a mega rooftop antenna, stop watching TV (not a chance in you know where!). This pretty much decides it for me. I'm going to spend my money on upgrading to a 4DTV receiver and tune up my big dish. The programming providers and options are much better and a LOT cheaper. It seems the primary shortcoming of 4DTV offerings is the lack of some sports channels, which doesn't hinder me in the least. I've talked to a lot of people who switched to dinky-dish and they aren't as happy with the quality and stability of the picture but switched either because they could get the dinky-dish free (ain't no free lunches folks, read the fine print) or 4DTV didn't offer a specific channel they wanted. Anybody out there have a 4DTV receiver (DSR922)they'd like to part with?
BUD = Big Ugly Dish, lol

What made me go with DirecTV was the option of a DVR/Tivo for recording shows and being able to skip past commercials. I don't have much time in the day to sit back and relax, and when I do, I want to skip past all of the crap and watch what I want to.

I've never heard of 4DTV, is that a Satellite company?
 
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Taki

DTVUSA Member
#7
This whole issue is why I have big hopes for internet television. It allows the producers themselves to broadcast their shows on the net without having to share revenue with anyone else, therefore allowing them to spend more money on their projects and keep some for themselves too.
 

Sparks

DTVUSA Member
#8
Satellite TV Alternatives

Other satellite providers are as Aron62 mentioned, available with a big dish. This would be a 6 - 10 foot diameter dish. That is why it is called BUD for Big Ugly Dish.

I understand that the large dishes are not very popular with the neighbors in the suburbs and in towns. I also understand that some housing authorities will not allow them in certain housing developments.

If you are in a place where you can put up a 6 foot dish and point it in a Southerly direction. A service that is being sold by SkyVision is available. The premium package is just under $30. The Basic package is just under $21. In addition; the Starz Encore package is $16 per month. The Showtime, TMC, Flix and Sundance package is also $16 per month. The HBO package that includes the Cinemax channels is $22.50 a month. All of the premium movie channels will total $48 per month. All of these monthly prices are when it is paid annually. For slightly more you can also pay monthly or quarterly. I also understand that you can subscribe to any part of it or all of it that is available. If you only want one movie package you do not have to get the rest of it.

I understand that this service will function anywhere in the 48 states with the six foot dish. I would need to do some research for other areas.

The catch is that you must buy your own equipment and install it yourself or get help installing it. Considering the price difference I think that it is worth it if you want this programming. The entire equipment package, if you need all of it is $329.95 plus tax in Minnesota plus shipping.

You can get all of the details about this at www skyvision com. On the left side of the screen go down to DSR-410 Equipment and Programming. This puts you on a page of information where you can select information to do with getting the receiver box only or the entire equipment package. You can also select the programming packages that I just mentioned.

To get a better comparison in detail of what is available in the program packages. At the top right of the screen select Tech Support. Then go down the left side of the screen and under DSR-410 click on the top item DSR410 Channel List With Technical Information (pdf).

With a large dish it is also possible to subscribe to other services and program packages that are also available through SkyVision. Another place that sells the big dish or what we call C Band programming is at www bigdish com. These other program packages would require yet a different box.

I have subscribed to Directv and Dish Network. I get tired of paying big money to watch commercials. I do enjoy the commercial free movie channels but as a whole I get tired of it. I also get tired of paying for 250 channels and there is nothing on that I want to watch.

What I did was drop the last one that I subscribed to that was Dish Network. I have had a big antenna on the roof all along and with the additional DTV channels. I now have much more programming available. In addition to that I put up a couple of smaller dishes for the more powerful "KU Band" or Free To Air (FTA) satellite TV. This adds a lot of additional channels to view that includes some MyTV, ABC, Fox, RTN, Some independant stations and others. With the RTN stations it is the same programming on some of the RTN stations that I get. These stations do not follow the same schedules and with these stations being in different time zones from New York to Washington state. They are running the show later in the west if you missed it in the East. This is all free and legal. The minimum equipment investment to get the FTA viewing with a dish small enough to put up no matter where you live is less than $300.

I plan to write a detailed description of all of this to do with FTA satellite TV in the next few days. This will have to do with selecting equipment. Determining what is available to view and a little about dish installation. I plan to post it on this forum for anyone that might be interested.

In case you did not know - The FCC has ruled some time ago that housing authorities, land lords and municipal codes cannot prevent or stop someone from installing a roof top antenna or a satellite dish that is not more that 30 inches in diameter.
 
#9
they now make fta small dishes the same size as the directtv and dishnetwork stuff you can change the lbn on those dishs hook a fta receiver and point at the sat and receive. they also make multi lnb mounts that will catch 4 or 5 sats at a time.
(Free to Air) Satellite Systems
http://www.ftaexpress.com/?gclid=CIfrs6yBw5YCFQv7agodnEB9zA
complete systems
http://sadoun.com/Sat/Channels/American-FTA-free-to-air-Satellite-TV-Channels.htm
http://sadoun.com/Sat/Channels/American-FTA-free-to-air-Satellite-TV-Channels.htm
this is a good info site
http://www.ftalist.com/
 
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MyBud

DTVUSA Jr. Member
#10
BUD = Big Ugly Dish, lol

What made me go with DirecTV was the option of a DVR/Tivo for recording shows and being able to skip past commercials. I don't have much time in the day to sit back and relax, and when I do, I want to skip past all of the crap and watch what I want to.

I've never heard of 4DTV, is that a Satellite company?
Being able to record without commercials would be cool but I since I had a VCR hooked up to my system I recorded tons of stuff off the dish and just fast forwarded thru the commercials. Movies on the movie channels didn't have commercials so that wasn't a problem and I still have some of them. My problem was, except for movies which I planned to keep anyway, most of the time I never seemed to find the time to watch half of what I recorded and I would not pay extra for Tivo even if I had it.
 

MyBud

DTVUSA Jr. Member
#11
Being able to record without commercials would be cool but I since I had a VCR hooked up to my system I recorded tons of stuff off the dish and just fast forwarded thru the commercials. Movies on the movie channels didn't have commercials so that wasn't a problem and I still have some of them. My problem was, except for movies which I planned to keep anyway, most of the time I never seemed to find the time to watch half of what I recorded and I would not pay extra for Tivo even if I had it.
... Oh btw, 4DTV is sort of a generalization for a receiver built by Motorola/GI that is able to receive either analog (C/KU) or digital programing.
 

MyBud

DTVUSA Jr. Member
#12
Other satellite providers are as Aron62 mentioned, available with a big dish. This would be a 6 - 10 foot diameter dish. That is why it is called BUD for Big Ugly Dish.

I understand that the large dishes are not very popular with the neighbors in the suburbs and in towns. I also understand that some housing authorities will not allow them in certain housing developments.

If you are in a place where you can put up a 6 foot dish and point it in a Southerly direction. A service that is being sold by SkyVision is available. The premium package is just under $30. The Basic package is just under $21. In addition; the Starz Encore package is $16 per month. The Showtime, TMC, Flix and Sundance package is also $16 per month. The HBO package that includes the Cinemax channels is $22.50 a month. All of the premium movie channels will total $48 per month. All of these monthly prices are when it is paid annually. For slightly more you can also pay monthly or quarterly. I also understand that you can subscribe to any part of it or all of it that is available. If you only want one movie package you do not have to get the rest of it.

I understand that this service will function anywhere in the 48 states with the six foot dish. I would need to do some research for other areas.

The catch is that you must buy your own equipment and install it yourself or get help installing it. Considering the price difference I think that it is worth it if you want this programming. The entire equipment package, if you need all of it is $329.95 plus tax in Minnesota plus shipping.

You can get all of the details about this at www skyvision com. On the left side of the screen go down to DSR-410 Equipment and Programming. This puts you on a page of information where you can select information to do with getting the receiver box only or the entire equipment package. You can also select the programming packages that I just mentioned.

To get a better comparison in detail of what is available in the program packages. At the top right of the screen select Tech Support. Then go down the left side of the screen and under DSR-410 click on the top item DSR410 Channel List With Technical Information (pdf).

With a large dish it is also possible to subscribe to other services and program packages that are also available through SkyVision. Another place that sells the big dish or what we call C Band programming is at www bigdish com. These other program packages would require yet a different box.

I have subscribed to Directv and Dish Network. I get tired of paying big money to watch commercials. I do enjoy the commercial free movie channels but as a whole I get tired of it. I also get tired of paying for 250 channels and there is nothing on that I want to watch.

What I did was drop the last one that I subscribed to that was Dish Network. I have had a big antenna on the roof all along and with the additional DTV channels. I now have much more programming available. In addition to that I put up a couple of smaller dishes for the more powerful "KU Band" or Free To Air (FTA) satellite TV. This adds a lot of additional channels to view that includes some MyTV, ABC, Fox, RTN, Some independant stations and others. With the RTN stations it is the same programming on some of the RTN stations that I get. These stations do not follow the same schedules and with these stations being in different time zones from New York to Washington state. They are running the show later in the west if you missed it in the East. This is all free and legal. The minimum equipment investment to get the FTA viewing with a dish small enough to put up no matter where you live is less than $300.

I plan to write a detailed description of all of this to do with FTA satellite TV in the next few days. This will have to do with selecting equipment. Determining what is available to view and a little about dish installation. I plan to post it on this forum for anyone that might be interested.

In case you did not know - The FCC has ruled some time ago that housing authorities, land lords and municipal codes cannot prevent or stop someone from installing a roof top antenna or a satellite dish that is not more that 30 inches in diameter.
OK - I'm biased, I love my big dish so we'll just get that out of the way! My dish is a 10ft mesh dish and I have 43+ acres so I can park it anywhere I want -LOL . Its my understanding that 9ft or larger is better for digital since it appears to be more picky than analog. I looked at the DSR410 but, again this is my understanding, that receiver only receives content from the W5 satellite. Granted there is a lot of stuff on W5 and you would not have any issues related to dish movement but I'd still rather have a DSR922. You would not believe the stuff you find just by 'cruising' the sky. I love the 'wild feeds' in particular. Most shows are uplinked to networks using analog wildfeeds which the network records and then rebroadcasts in digital. I recorded most of the episodes of the StarTrek spinoff 'Enterprise' as a wildfeed without commercials before anybody else saw them! SkyVision and BigDish are excellent sources of programming,equipment and information but there are others as well such as SPSprogramming.com. My current provider is CallNps.com. For me the big advantage of big dish is that there is more programming (except for sports), more ways to subscribe, more ways to package and more stuff thats free. I've already got the dish in place so the only cost for me is a new receiver. The downside for other people would be having to buy and maintain the equipment and in some areas there may not be as much technical support for the equipment. I'm lucky that where I live (north central TN) there are still a lot of companies that are happy to install and support C-Band equipment. And I gotta say maintenance isn't really as bad as it sounds my current dish sat out there for 12-15 years with little to no attention. I would like to know more about FTA especially for local channels which can be a problem for bigdish subscribers. DTV is going to be a disaster for me since I could never get a decent signal anyway and at the end of the day even 250 channels with nothing on is better than nothing at all.
 
#13
I do agree that competition does keep the product at an affordable price. If they merge the prices will go sky high. They must be merging because of the bad economy.
 

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