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Message: [QUOTE="EscapeVelocity, post: 54365, member: 3771"]I dont have any experience with the HD version.  I was talking about the old American made discontinued Channel Master N Bays.  As an aside, both the DB2 that I have and the old CM 4221A that I have, both use step downs in diameter for the feedlines.  I bet this step down in wire gauge increases impedence.Didnt know that the Winegard elements were shorter than 8"....although I have a 4400HD here.I concur.Indeed.I dont remember what point I was trying to make either, and cant muster the energy to dig back into it.No worries.[/QUOTE]