iView 3500STB: An HD Tuner / DTA Converter / DVR / Media Player for under $40?

MrPogi

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A lot of people have asked about converter boxes, HD tuners, and DVRs, and where to get them for cheap.

How about a device that does all that, and costs just $40? What if you could also play videos from a USB device, too?
Check this back panel out:
iview3500_back.jpg Okay, so it's a Chinese device and it suffers from some of the same problems most cheap Chinese devices have, mostly a poor remote, confusing interface and firmware bugs. But, c'mon, it's $40!!! That's even cheaper than the same brand iView "converter only" box. And fortunately, they seem to be releasing newer firmware to fix some of the bugs - and it's HUNDREDS of dollars less than the next-most expensive DVR solution, the Magnavox series of DVR / DVD recorders. And note that the Magnavox units are SD!

Features:
Converts digital broadcast to your analog TV
EPG (Electronic Program Guide) and program information
Favorite Channel List
Parental control function
Auto tuning (finds all digital broadcasts)
Signal Quality Indicator
Closed Captioning
EAS (Emergency Alert System) to alert emergency information from TV station
Advanced Video/Audio parameters adjustment
Full function remote control
Analog pass through Channel 3/4
Cable/QAM capability
Video Decoder: MPEG-2 MP at HL, MPEG-4 SP, ASP, H.264 HP at L4.1, DivX 3.11, 4.X, 6.X, FLV format and VC-1
Video Resolution: 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 576p
Built-in HDMI Output

Here's the Pros / Cons of this device:
Pros:
1. Price (what else can you say here),
2. Power consumption; less than one watt off and 7 watts on,
3. HDMI & component outputs and coaxial audio out. Better than many others costing 4x the price. (it also has composite and RF for older TV's),
4. Front panel power & ch. up/dn,
5. Especially suited for smaller TV's in bedrooms and kitchens due to it's very small size. (see below),
6. This will power a 2 1/2" Laptop type of hard drive in an external enclosure WITHOUT a separate power supply,
7. Lightning fast boot time of 10 seconds. Surely beats TiVo's boot time after plugging one in (5 1/2 minutes),
8. Fast channel changes, a rarity with digital tuners especially with DVR's,
9. Ability to add (and completely delete) channels without doing another full scan. In fact, you can skip the initial scan and just enter only the physical channel numbers you want,
10. Picture quality and OTA reception are on par with most other tuners & DVR's
11. Using a USB hub allows access to multiple HDD's up to 1 1/2 TB each. The manual only states drives up to 500GB,
12. The Multimedia player portion allows playing audio files when viewing photos (as long as they are on the same drive).

Cons:
1. Channels numbers in the display and in the 'TV list' are just consecutive numbers starting with the lowest virtual channel number and ascending upwards. What on earth were they thinking here? This is the other serious shortcoming,
2. No ability to scheduled a recording directly inside the Guide. You have to do a manual entry, VCR style which defeats the purpose and convenience of a guide. This is a real shortfall as all other DVR's will schedule the recording by just pressing Ok/select or Rec button,
3. QAM channels all get listed as "0-0" making it useless for CATV applications. There is no analog capability,
4. Bright display. Surely can't use it in a bedroom at night,
5. The very small size doesn't allow it to be placed under any other equipment.There is also the probability of heavy cables pulling it off the shelve due to lack of size & weight,
6. The remote is just as small, so are the labels. Very hard to see and push buttons. The button layout is not logical either,
7. There is no indication on the display of recording status. Nothing preventing it from getting turned off which will cancel the recording,
8. The manual misses a lot of functions. It's too small to read (though you can download a full size manual off their website). Being written for the Chinese market with mis named terms is a major problem,
9. No skip function,
10. Clock can not be set manually. If the reference stations clock is wrong, you can't do anything about it. Also it is only a 24 hour format,
11. You can't playback and record at the same time,
12. Only one tuner,
13. The single USB port is on the front panel. While Ok for a memory stick, it surely isn't for a HDD connection with the cable hanging off the front.
14. Apparently, when a weekly recording is scheduled, the next recording will be 12 days later, not seven,
15. If you set a recording to span midnight (one day to the next), the system won't allow setting any other recordings and will just continuously record from the start time.
16. There is no mention anywhere other than in the system information screen that this has a ATSC tuner, only QAM. there is also little mention about the recording capabilities.
17. When recording, the record indicator is always showing on screen.

NOTE: There is a "midnight bug". If you schedule a recording to span midnight, it will prevent you from adding any other entries AND when the recording does start, it will NOT stop! The workaround is two split recordings, one ending at 2359, the other starting at 0000.
update: drive size capability now up to 1 1/2 TB, but added a possible "12 day week bug"

Here's a link to the iView product page.
IVIEWUS - Digital Converter Box (Media Player / Digital Converter Box + Recording, MKV format compatible.)
 

MrPogi

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#3
Well for $40 what do you expect?

At that price I am surprised it does as much as it does, no matter how poorly.
Exactly. It's not perfect by any means, but it does so much for so little.
Need a converter box? Yep.
Need an HD tuner for one of those older "HD ready" TVs? Check.
Need a media player? Add a HDD or thumb drive, and it will do that.
It even recognizes a USB hub, so you can have multiple drives.

Most of the bugs are little annoyances that I could live with. I mean, I never record shows that span midnight, anyway.
 

Jim1348

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iView 3500STB: An HD Tuner / DTA Converter / DVR / Media Player For Under $40?

Thank you for posting that. I wouldn't mind trying it to see how well the ATSC tuner works.
 
#5
A lot of people have asked about converter boxes, HD tuners, and DVRs, and where to get them for cheap.

How about a device that does all that, and costs just $40?
This must have come out recently, right? Like this year? I remember searching for such a device.

Cons:
1. Channels numbers in the display and in the 'TV list' are just consecutive numbers starting with the lowest virtual channel number and ascending upwards. What on earth were they thinking here? This is the other serious shortcoming,
I must be missing something here. (I've never had a DVR.) Do you mean they're just made up numbers, like 1, 2, 3 etc.? I mean, how else would you expect it to be, other than consecutive, starting with the lowest channel number? How is the EPG in other respects?

7. There is no indication on the display of recording status. Nothing preventing it from getting turned off which will cancel the recording

17. When recording, the record indicator is always showing on screen.
?? For #7, do you mean "There is no indication on the menu display of recording status."

One more question. Another reviewer mentioned the menu display is very blurry. Did you find that to be the case? I might have to break down and try one of these newfangled contraptions. ;)

Thx,
Rick
 

dkreichen1968

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Well, just got back from running home to make sure the box made it in the house. Yes, it really is as small as a CECB. I'll set it up tonight, and then run out and get a 1 TB HDD for it so I can record. I've got a powered USB hub that I can run the drive off of. It should work great. Then I'll have 1.25 TB of storage and be able to record three shows at once. ;)
 

MrPogi

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This must have come out recently, right? Like this year? I remember searching for such a device.



I must be missing something here. (I've never had a DVR.) Do you mean they're just made up numbers, like 1, 2, 3 etc.? I mean, how else would you expect it to be, other than consecutive, starting with the lowest channel number? How is the EPG in other respects?



?? For #7, do you mean "There is no indication on the menu display of recording status."

One more question. Another reviewer mentioned the menu display is very blurry. Did you find that to be the case? I might have to break down and try one of these newfangled contraptions. ;)

Thx,
Rick
The channels are listed as 1,2,3,4... which can be 2,4,5, 11, or whatever your local channel numbers are. But they are also listed by call letters, too. (I should note that this device also functions as a QAM tuner. )

for #7, there is no indicator on the front panel. Someone could walk by and see that the power is on, and not knowing it is recording, push the power button on the front panel. Turning the unit off will cancel the recording, of course.
 

MrPogi

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Well, just got back from running home to make sure the box made it in the house. Yes, it really is as small as a CECB. I'll set it up tonight, and then run out and get a 1 TB HDD for it so I can record. I've got a powered USB hub that I can run the drive off of. It should work great. Then I'll have 1.25 TB of storage and be able to record three shows at once. ;)
I like mine in spite of its quirks. But I'm going to live with it for a while before I am willing to give it my review. If there were any competition in the standalone OTA PVR market, this box would probably get a one or two star review. Choices for OTA PVR are limited and expensive, and even at those high prices they aren't without troubles. But because this box really has no competition and because of the price point, it gains stars simply for being "better than nothing".

I assume you will still be using your dual tuner PVR? I think that for the price, you will be happy with it as third recorder. Keep in mind, it's a pain in the @ss to set the recording timer. You can only see 11 events into the future in the EPG, and when you set the recording the EPG info goes away. You have to remember all the epg info to enter into the recording info. One thing I found useful is to use TitanTV on my cheapo tablet for programming info. Also remember, doing a channel scan erases all your programming!

And yea, the remote is about as poorly laid out as I've ever seen.
 
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MrPogi

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Actually, Rick, it's not that bad. Though they are listed that way in the EPG they also have the channel # and call letters, and you can edit the call letters.
 

dkreichen1968

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I like mine in spite of its quirks. But I'm going to live with it for a while before I am willing to give it my review. If there were any competition in the standalone OTA PVR market, this box would probably get a one or two star review. Choices for OTA PVR are limited and expensive, and even at those high prices they aren't without troubles. But because this box really has no competition and because of the price point, it gains stars simply for being "better than nothing".

I assume you will still be using your dual tuner PVR? I think that for the price, you will be happy with it as third recorder. Keep in mind, it's a pain in the @ss to set the recording timer. You can only see 11 events into the future in the EPG, and when you set the recording the EPG info goes away. You have to remember all the epg info to enter into the recording info. One thing I found useful is to use TitanTV on my cheapo tablet for programming info. Also remember, doing a channel scan erases all your programming!

And yea, the remote is about as poorly laid out as I've ever seen.
Well, I remember that like 15 years ago I paid $150 for a VCR and though I was getting a good deal. I just paid $114 for a system that can record 120 hours of HD programing and isn't any harder to program.

It's ironic that folks compared the Dish DTVpal/CM-7000pal DVR with a VCR. Oh, it's like programming a VCR..? They must have never programmed a VCR! Anyway, programming the iView 3500STB is like programming a VCR.

Yes Bill, I'm going to still be using the DTVpal DVR, but having 120 hours extra of HD will be fun also. Yeah, I've got to spend the money I get from all those cable subscribers somehow. ;) Got to keep the economy going!!!
 

MrPogi

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So, Dan, how's your first day with the new box?

The tuner is not quite as sensitive as my Philips 52" tuner, but close. Tip: be patient... trying to move too fast (like moving around the EPG too fast) sometimes will cause a re-boot. And that remote... how many times have I pressed the wrong itty bitty button?? I'll be programming the functions into my universal remote soon and hiding that ergonomic nightmare in the remote drawer!

Some things I do like? It plays some media types that the USB on my Roku XS can't handle (.avi for one). It does not, however, like .vob files. It does a good job of time shifting, and so far has recorded scheduled shows as programmed. It has analog audio out so I can run sound through my old school stereo system.
 

dkreichen1968

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Bill,

Did you know that you can download the files to your computer and play them through Playon "My Media" to your Roku? I downloaded the new version of VLC Media Player, which makes the transcoding on "My Media" work better. You have to remember that this thing costs less than a "free" CECB. Only thing is that "free" CECBs couldn't legally have the features that this box has.

Yes, I'm still working through the clunkiness, and trying to learn the in's and out's. If you had problems with a VCR, this will be a problem for you. Recorded "Hawaii 5-O" today. Have "Kojak" and "Inspector Gadget" programmed to record tonight. Sure wish the clock had a manual set. The clock on "Bounce" (KTFD 14-2) is off by around 8 hours.
 

dkreichen1968

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Okay, it recorded both sections of Kojak (split over midnight), but it didn't record "Inspector Gadget" which was on THIS on KWGN. It seems to not like the signal quality of KWGN. Every time I tune the channel it will glitch out for a second before it gets a lock. That may be why it doesn't want to record. Last night I got it to sucessfully record two shows on different channels, but I haven't got it to record anything off of KWGN yet.
 

dkreichen1968

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The tuner isn't as sensitive as the one in my Vizio. When I tried to tune KCNC (my weakest channel) this morning it was breaking up while the Vizio, which is connected to the same outlet through a splitter was doing just fine. It did record "Inspector Gadget" this morning. I recorded 4 events last night with no problems. I have to believe that it not recording has to do with "searching" for the channel multiple times when the channel is tuned.
 

MrPogi

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Update from
videobruce

(From Amazon reviews)


This review is from: iView 3500STB DTV Converter Box (Electronics)
Update;
There is a new firmware version that should be released shortly. It's being tested now and has address a few issue regarding the Guide.
1. You will be able to schedule a program by two clicks on the "Ok" button without doing a manual schedule entry, just like all other DVR's with Guides.
2. It addresses the bogus "C0xx" channels numbers, replacing those with the correct number in the schedule screen. (It does not fix the number on the display, that is still incorrect.)
3. Also improved, but still needs more work (due to lockups with detail text) is the response getting guide data when one scrolls through the channel list.
No release date as of yet, but it's good to know that it's being worked on.
 

MrPogi

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Dan,
Seems others are experiencing the same sort of problems recording certain channels as you. One thing mentioned is to leave the box ON. It appears to do some sort of system check when it powers up that causes it to not record some channels.
 

dkreichen1968

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Dan,
Seems others are experiencing the same sort of problems recording certain channels as you. One thing mentioned is to leave the box ON. It appears to do some sort of system check when it powers up that causes it to not record some channels.
With the box only drawing 7 watts when on, that isn't too bad of a solution. What I think happens is that the tuner has difficulty decoding certain channels. When I switch channels to one of the offending channels it will often have to "search" a second time to tune the channel. I'm sure the recorder is simply cancelling the recording if it has problems decoding the signal on the first try. If the channel is already tuned, then the box just records the already tuned channel. I don't know if that is a firmware fixable bug, but it would be nice if it was. It may just be the "cost" of a $40 PVR/DVR with infinite recording capability. This box certainly shows us what is possible!
 

MrPogi

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The new firmware update certainly does allow you to set up a recording from the EPG, adds actual channel numbers to the scheduling setup, and makes the EPG more reliable (less re-boots)

But there's still a plethora of issues to be worked on, including the problem of not recording a scheduled event on certain channels.
 
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