Question: Laptop Interferes with Signal... What to do?

#1
We've got a Magnavox converter box for our t.v (no cable, satellite, etc) so we receive signals via antenna. When I use my laptop in the livingroom, which is the most common and comfortable place for me to do so, we lose our signal. It doesn't seem to matter where I plug it in, whether it's in the same power strip as the box and tv are in, or not. Many times I've tried it unplugged, so it's only using it's battery, but still it interferes with the signal.

It's infuriating to not be able to use my computer if hubby wants to watch t.v. or if I want to listen to the news while on the computer.

:confused: :confused:

Any ideas on fixing this problem?

Thanks in advance for any tips that may help!
 

Fringe Reception

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#2
:welcome: MaineGreenGirl!

I have a similar problem when my cell phone periodically 'hunts' or 'locates itself', has an incoming call or if I make an outgoing call and it wipes out my converter box. However, it never bothers our main TV set which is a Sony Bravia.

Most converter boxes have plastic cases that offer zero shielding to 'spurious' signals and I suspect your laptop is radiating signals that are being detected by your converter box and those signals are confusing it.

My only suggestion is to find a Channel Master 7000 converter box which has a steel case that can be grounded ... there is no guarantee it would be an improvement, but if the cabinet is grounded it may block those spurious signals. Those boxes are out of production but they can be found on EvilBay and Craigslist.

(Full disclosure ... the front panel on a CM-7000 is plastic, so it does not have a complete Faraday Cage) - but its worth a shot.

HowStuffWorks "How Faraday Cages Work"

Jim
 

Fringe Reception

Super Moderator, Chief Content Editor
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#5
My only suggestion is to try a Toroid Choke.
Jim,

Where would you put the choke? Next to the Converter's power plug or close to the converter?

You have an excellent alternative idea but please share where a 'casual' poster could find an appropriate choke and what it takes to add it.

Jim
 
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Jim1348

DTVUSA Member
#6
Laptop Interferes With Signal... What To Do?

Snap-Together Toroid Choke Core-2-Pack - RadioShack.com

Like many things with RF, there is no way to accurately predict in advance what will cure the interference. I would suggest buying this at the local "Shady Rack" and trying BOTH toroid chokes on the power cable. You could try it on the coaxial feedline (RG-6 hopefully), but you would have to be VERY careful not to break the wire inside the cable. As always, keep the Radio Scrap receipt just in case this does not help. I used this with a 10 meter amateur radio years ago and they worked. The problem I had with that is when I transmitted and released the Push To Talk button the transmitter kept transmitting! (Trust me, that was NOT a good thing!) I added the chokes in the feedline and life was good again.

How to Stop Radio Frequency Interference with Ferrite Chokes - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com
 

Fringe Reception

Super Moderator, Chief Content Editor
Staff member
#7
Jim,

EXCELLENT POST.

Do you have any experience using those chokes to reduce or eliminate powerline noise? I have 120 Hz hum on AC and DC (battery) AM radios here and I cannot find the offending source. Its everywhere.

IF its coming down my powerline, the 'right' choke should neutralize it for 110 VAC radios. How can I choose the right choke (inductor)?

Hey viewers, its math time.

Jim
 

Jim1348

DTVUSA Member
#8
Laptop Interferes With Signal... What To Do?

No, I have only used them for "Hostile RF" so to speak. I would encourage you to try the toroid chokes, though. Buy them at Radio Shack, keep the packaging and receipt, and them return them if they don't work for you.
 

FOX TV

Contributor
#9
Does the interference go away when the laptop WIFI is turned off, or when you run it on batteries only? Does it blank out all channels, or just some of them? If the converter is picking up RF through the computer power supply and the AC power lines, you may try a UPS (Uninterpretable Power Supply) as a filtering device on either the laptop, or possibly run the converter box off of it, and you still may need to try some of the above suggestions too.. I am having a problem with my RF readable power meter supplied by the power company interfering with my AM Radios, and stray RF is sometimes hard to identify and prevent. I found my problem by using an AM Radio, and turning off my main breaker to make sure it was not something in my house causing the problem. I still had a detectable AC hum on my AM Radios.

Another possibility to try would be to take the converter box apart, and spray the inside of the plastic case with some type of metallic spray paint such as aluminum based paint as an RF shield. this trick proved useful in some early Radar detectors in states like mine who utilize Radar detector detectors. This would require some additional vent holes be put into the converters upper case, since the Magnavox converter runs unusually hot anyway due to lack of adequate venting, which is what I did to mine in the picture below. I took some metallic window screen and melted it into the plastic with a soldering iron to hold it in place. This brought the converters temperature down to an acceptable level.

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Hope this is helpful, and good luck solving this problem.
 
#10
Thank you everyone for all the replies! Sorry I wasn't back here sooner, but a migraine took over my life the past few days.

Ok, I'll try to answer everyone's questions.

:welcome: MaineGreenGirl!

I have a similar problem when my cell phone periodically 'hunts' or 'locates itself', has an incoming call or if I make an outgoing call and it wipes out my converter box. However, it never bothers our main TV set which is a Sony Bravia.

Most converter boxes have plastic cases that offer zero shielding to 'spurious' signals and I suspect your laptop is radiating signals that are being detected by your converter box and those signals are confusing it.

My only suggestion is to find a Channel Master 7000 converter box which has a steel case that can be grounded ... there is no guarantee it would be an improvement, but if the cabinet is grounded it may block those spurious signals. Those boxes are out of production but they can be found on EvilBay and Craigslist.

Jim
Thanks for the welcome, Jim!
First thing is that what you say makes perfect sense... the problem is that that is way over anything I can afford to buy at the time. I appreciate the time and effort of you posting it, though!

Question:
Where is your antenna located?
The only place it will bring in a signal is right in front of my laptop (of course). I'm somewhat disabled, so I use the laptop on a desk-type thing on a bed in the livingroom, which is small to begin with. The antenna is placed in the only area of the room where it will bring in the signal.

Snap-Together Toroid Choke Core-2-Pack - RadioShack.com

Like many things with RF, there is no way to accurately predict in advance what will cure the interference. I would suggest buying this at the local "Shady Rack" and trying BOTH toroid chokes on the power cable. You could try it on the coaxial feedline (RG-6 hopefully), but you would have to be VERY careful not to break the wire inside the cable. As always, keep the Radio Scrap receipt just in case this does not help. I used this with a 10 meter amateur radio years ago and they worked. The problem I had with that is when I transmitted and released the Push To Talk button the transmitter kept transmitting! (Trust me, that was NOT a good thing!) I added the chokes in the feedline and life was good again.

How to Stop Radio Frequency Interference with Ferrite Chokes - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com
Well, this I could afford! I have some friends over at our local RadioShack, so I'll check with them as to how to install/use it. I know that if it doesn't work out for me, they'll let me return it. The next thing is getting someone to go pick one up for me... sigh!

Does the interference go away when the laptop WIFI is turned off, or when you run it on batteries only? Does it blank out all channels, or just some of them? If the converter is picking up RF through the computer power supply and the AC power lines, you may try a UPS (Uninterpretable Power Supply) as a filtering device on either the laptop, or possibly run the converter box off of it, and you still may need to try some of the above suggestions too.. I am having a problem with my RF readable power meter supplied by the power company interfering with my AM Radios, and stray RF is sometimes hard to identify and prevent. I found my problem by using an AM Radio, and turning off my main breaker to make sure it was not something in my house causing the problem. I still had a detectable AC hum on my AM Radios.

Another possibility to try would be to take the converter box apart, and spray the inside of the plastic case with some type of metallic spray paint such as aluminum based paint as an RF shield. this trick proved useful in some early Radar detectors in states like mine who utilize Radar detector detectors. This would require some additional vent holes be put into the converters upper case, since the Magnavox converter runs unusually hot anyway due to lack of adequate venting, which is what I did to mine in the picture below. I took some metallic window screen and melted it into the plastic with a soldering iron to hold it in place. This brought the converters temperature down to an acceptable level.
I've tried it with the computer only on it's battery, as well as plugged in - it happens either way, although not as bad when it's on battery power. As far as the WI/Fi, I'm not sure what you mean... we have two boxes over there for our internet, one is a modem and I forget the other name, but one is from the phone company and one I had to buy at RadioShack to get internet with my laptop, can't remember which is which but I'm sure you guys know what they are, lol. Thanks so much for the long reply. This sounds like it would help, too! I'll have to ask hubby about doing this (painting with metallic paint). I did notice that the box is unusually warm too - my cat loves to get up there and sleep on it (and yes, she interferes with reception, too!) because of it's warmth. I've never tried unplugging the box to see if it happens when it's not internet-connected, if that's what you're asking.

I surely hope something will fix this, it's so infuriating! I know the more technologically advanced we get, the more things will interfere with each other... but I don't have to like it, ha ha!

I hope this post is ok, since I don't see a "preview" button... yikes!
 

n2rj

Moderator
Staff member
#11
MrPogi's response is spot on. The main problem is that your antenna is located indoors.

Laptops and computers have oscillators up the wazoo so they basically generate tons of interference. With the proliferation of home computers, a lot of them are now better shielded for RF but they are still terrible. Best to get your antenna outdoors if possible. I understand you are disabled so maybe you can ask a friend or family member to help.
 

scandiskwindows9x

Moderator of DTV Latino
#12
Perhaps the solution is more simple, try of use a coaxial cable with quad Shields, those minimize interference or if use an indoor antenna should use an amplifier for cancel the noise or interference caused by your laptop paint with a metallized coating the converter box doesn't help since still being plastic box structure.

The spurious noise is caused either by your laptop or energy saving lamps since those are a specie of compact fluorescent bulb then can be generating noise too. Try of cancel those vectors of interference. Are simple but effective solutions I think

A guy asked by WI FI because due is also a digital signal over air in modulation OFDM QSPK can be causing interference with your incoming signal of digital TV in my early test with indoor antenna and a cell phone doing a, call and getting closer of the antenna got signal losing or pixellation too consider too the WI FI as inference level or source
Best regards
Francisco

Enviado desde mi LG-P500h usando Tapatalk 2
 

nbound-au

The Graveyard Shift
#13
An amplifier will only help if the noise is out of the passband of the amplifier.

As to the exact cause in laptop, could be anything, theres plenty of oscillators to provide or the clocking for the busses and components. Even the fluorescent backlights and inverter in the laptop could be at fault. Its pretty unlikely your Wifi or Bluetooth is transmitting spurious noise, but you never know!

The best course of action would be to upgrade cabling to RG6Q, and replace the converter with one which has a metallic case (if it isnt already)
 
G

Guest

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#14
My solution

Had this problem. Interference went away when I moved the laptop further away from the outdoor antenna. Couch is only 10 ft away from outdoor antenna.
 
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